ARCHIVED, OLD THREADSThe Mole 5: Without Anderson Cooper
Edited May 7, 2008 8:55 pm
Maybe it was total desperation, but ABC is bringing back the game of sabotage and subterfuge for the summer starting Monday, June 2nd without celebrities. But will Jon Kelley be able to do a dance like Anderson Cooper's?
"I love this game"
(65 previous messages)Pinwiz - Jun 12, 2002 5:46 pm (#66 of 308)
My gut says it's Heather. My brain says my gut is stupid.
- Jun 12, 2002 5:49 pm (#67 of 308)
You must have some interesting internal discussions there, Pinwiz.
I agree Burn Bags Burn! was near-impossible (Coop really wanted to see them go). I do remember Katie and Patrick and maybe Myra being there. Was Dorothy the 4th?
Pinwiz - Jun 12, 2002 5:52 pm (#68 of 308)
Dorothy was there for BBB: Disco Inferno. Myra's the only question mark in my brain right now.
Le Nubian
- Jun 12, 2002 6:03 pm (#69 of 308)
Pinwiz, so your short list for the mole is Heather? And Myra as a question mark?
Gut says this is my short list: Bill, Myra, Heather, Al
Darwin and Bribs are in an "alliance". So is Heather and Katie. Logically, I feel that if any of the 4 is the mole, the other partner would be getting kicked off. That's my mind talking.
My gut, and looking at nonverbal cues makes me think the following people are unlikely for moledom: Kate, Darwin, Bribs, Dorothy, Elavia. Of these 5, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if any were the mole, but I'm about ready to rule them out. Bribs came through like a trooper but his face when his name came up IMO looked like he was kind of worried about being eliminated. It is hard to fake that.
Despite the clues, I'm still not in favor of thinking Bill is the mole. I don't know. I think Myra, Heather, or Al are a bit more subtle about it.
Pinwiz - Jun 12, 2002 6:12 pm (#70 of 308)
Pinwiz, so your short list for the mole is Heather? And Myra as a question mark?
I meant that I didn't know if Myra played Burn Bags Burn or not.
My short list is: Heather, Myra, and Darwin. Al's on the fence, and I've pretty much ruled everyone else out.
Was Heather's idea to use her shoe in the basket an attempt to give up her exemption to throw others off her scent?
(I know this is going to be Kate 2: Electric Boogaloo. I know it.)
Le Nubian
- Jun 12, 2002 6:15 pm (#71 of 308)
Okay, why Darwin?
He was on my list last week, but I am close to ruling him out this week.
To tell you the truth, I thought Heather's cage was closest to the bulb and thus that's why she used her shoe. I think any of the 3 would have passed on the exemption. That was probably the least suspicious thing she's done all season thus far.
- Jun 12, 2002 6:23 pm (#72 of 308)
I think Darwin and Bribs both did damned well in the pool. Treading water AND encouraging Katie to solve the puzzle.
Pinwiz - Jun 12, 2002 6:32 pm (#73 of 308)
Okay, why Darwin?
Just a hunch, like with Heather. He's almost off the list, but I need to give him another week before I eliminate him.
Pinwiz - Jun 12, 2002 6:33 pm (#74 of 308)
Treading water AND encouraging Katie to solve the puzzle.
But, it's Katie. The Mole doesn't have to do anything around Katie. She's her own vortex of mishap.
- Jun 12, 2002 6:38 pm (#75 of 308)
Edited by Jun 12, 2002 11:39 am
But the Producers may have given the mole a "don't sabotage" order for this.
Hasn't Darwin been on the surviving end of a couple of alliances. Didn't he have one with Lisa?
Also Darwin's been involved in a couple of blown games:
If Bribs goes soon, we may find out.
- Jun 12, 2002 6:43 pm (#76 of 308)
Hmmmmm.
Darwin is a definite possibility.
I refuse to give Katie enough credit to be the mole.
Le Nubian
- Jun 12, 2002 6:43 pm (#77 of 308)
The only alliance I know he had was with Lisa, but she also had one with Dorothy.
Patrick roomed with him, but Patrick spelled out his own doom. He even admits as much.
I thought Darwin a couple of eps ago, but now much hunch is, he isn't.
- Jun 12, 2002 6:58 pm (#78 of 308)
If there was a guy in there who was least likely mole, it was Patrick.
Are there any mole-signs for Heather? What has she been in?
Le Nubian
- Jun 12, 2002 7:16 pm (#79 of 308)
Well, she tanked that rappel challenge (along with the others), the burning bags bit (with her Bible inside).
I'm mostly suspicious because one ep she was so afraid she'd be eliminated. Now, all we are hearing is her say "I KNOW I can win this!"
Pinwiz - Jun 12, 2002 11:07 pm (#80 of 308)
I've seen Heather being more of a "discord" person so far. Yes, there's the Rapell challenge that she got wrong but most of everything she's done so far was to complain that everyone else got Exemptions but her. Then when she finally gets it, she passes it up.
I just have the feeling that the Mole was in a jail at the end of the episode. The players were crafty, but I have a feeling that one of them had inside information.
Le Nubian
- Jun 12, 2002 11:12 pm (#81 of 308)
I would have passed it up too though unless I were further into the game. She has got to know that there are at least 2 people who have less of a clue than she does. If no one else has an examption, those are pretty decent odds.
Le Nubian
- Jun 12, 2002 11:15 pm (#82 of 308)
The reason why Myra looks like such a good mole candidate is that she is one of them most even-tempered people I've ever seen. I mean my goodness. Which is probably why she isn't the mole. Kathryn was really emotional and that led a lot of people off her track.
I'm thinking that if they cast someone similar in temperament, then Myra and Bill would be out and Al (and maybe Katie) would be in.
- Jun 13, 2002 4:26 pm (#83 of 308)
If Katie is the mole then she's Supermole! Wow, that was a dumb mistake though.
I'm surprised Bill lasted as long as he did. The man is in terrible shape.
Le Nubian
- Jun 13, 2002 4:33 pm (#84 of 308)
Edited by Jun 13, 2002 9:34 am
In yesterday's ep, the prison challenge would have been the activity I am most suited for or Katie's task. I think I could have done Katie's task well enough.
I cannot tread water worth a DAMN. I have a pretty good sense of direction, but it looks like those runners had to go a fair distance. It is possible I would have messed up one of those italian names on the way back.
- Jun 13, 2002 4:50 pm (#85 of 308)
I would've liked the Prison challenge. I could probably tread water for a while, but probably not over 1 hour.
Math teasers I'm pretty good at, but scrambled words always kick my butt. Rapelling probably would've gone OK. I probably would have tried to charge Little John before he got set.
Blackjack I do well on the computer, but not in real life. Personal embarassment I have no problem with because I would probably turn it back to the host (like Al did). I would've loved the swing, but couldn't get my pulse down on the ropes
But people trivia I would be no good at, so the bags would've been burnt beyond all recognition.
- Jun 13, 2002 6:15 pm (#86 of 308)
The Prison challenge was very cool. It's possible Heather won to throw off suspicion (if she is the mole).
Definitely not the Mole: Al, Elavia, Bribs.
Dorothy continues to display very molish behavior.
Pinwiz - Jun 13, 2002 10:56 pm (#87 of 308)
It's possible Heather won to throw off suspicion (if she is the mole).
Plus, that was an event where you really couldn't interfere without being really obvious. You'd simply have to play the game.
Le Nubian
- Jun 13, 2002 11:05 pm (#88 of 308)
Pinwiz, okay but I posted elsewhere that I rewatched the ep. What I discovered is that Al is the one who literally did very very little to get them out of the cages. Seriously. Heather and Myra were booking.
This made me put Heather in the "unlikely" category and Al in the "likely" category.
Al broke the bulb with a rock, but I think Heather or Myra could have done that in short order. Heather and Myra came up with good idea of how to retrieve the sling shot and the key after it dropped.
Pinwiz - Jun 13, 2002 11:51 pm (#89 of 308)
What I discovered is that Al is the one who literally did very very little to get them out of the cages. Seriously. Heather and Myra were booking.
Interesting...
Paul O
- Jun 14, 2002 4:11 am (#90 of 308)
See Al seems like an obvious mole. He was suspicious early (the heart rate thing), keeps getting put in 'trusted' positions, then does things like that. It can't be him.
I'm thinking Myra, Heather or Bill. If it's Katie it explains the meltdowns and the casting agent needs replacing.
- Jun 19, 2002 1:28 pm (#91 of 308)
I don't think it's Myra. :)
- Jun 19, 2002 2:42 pm (#92 of 308)
And that's about all you know.
More molesigns from:
I think we can forgive Elavia for this one because the expemption was only for $15,000. I would have asked Coop to raise it to $50,000. Plus, she got the offer because of the other players.
Darwin & Admiral Bill had a human response and I wouldn't begrudge them much.
Now were the blueberries a clue? Is Dorothy really the mole because she took that blueberry cake in Ep 2?
Pinwiz - Jun 19, 2002 2:52 pm (#93 of 308)
I think we can forgive Elavia for this one because the expemption was only for $15,000. I would have asked Coop to raise it to $50,000. Plus, she got the offer because of the other players.
I'd take the exemption no matter what. It's way too important in this game, since the questions get so detailed.
Of course, I'd take that offer from next week on the drop of a hat too.
- Jun 19, 2002 3:03 pm (#94 of 308)
Heather's action seemed very natural. If she is the mole, she's a terrific actress.
Le Nubian
- Jun 19, 2002 3:10 pm (#95 of 308)
I'm with Pinwiz. $50,000? Hell yeah. See ya later, busters!
Right now, I'm ruling out Heather only because Katie ruled her out and Katie isn't gone yet.
My short list: Bill, Al, Katie.
I would put Dorothy there, but the woman is looking so damn obvious. I mean why doesn't she just yell "I am the mole?" for goodness sakes.
- Jun 19, 2002 3:29 pm (#96 of 308)
Dorothy is too obvious to me too.
I still have Admiral Bill on the top of my mole list.
So you can go with $50,000 next week for sure against a 1 in 7 chance for approx. $400,000 - $500,000? I'd think I'd take the money and go (I'm no Hamster)
- Jun 19, 2002 3:32 pm (#97 of 308)
I'm guessing that they'll be offering it to the most liked as well. Who will top that ranking? Bribs? He seems to get along with everyone.
Le Nubian
- Jun 19, 2002 3:33 pm (#98 of 308)
Actually, I bet they will offer it again to the least liked. And I bet the individuals will change their answers so it isn't Elavia again.
- Jun 19, 2002 3:40 pm (#99 of 308)
With their wicked sense of humor? No, they're going to ask the most liked to leave the show. I'll bet you a post.
Le Nubian
- Jun 19, 2002 3:43 pm (#100 of 308)
(laughing)
I think if that's the case, the "best liked" will probably be the mole. Which would amuse me.
- Jun 19, 2002 4:03 pm (#101 of 308)
Well, if they do offer it to the mole (wheter liked or not), then the mole just pushes it aside and saves the Producers $50,000.
And who makes sure they don't do a Florida on the voting?
Le Nubian
- Jun 19, 2002 4:09 pm (#102 of 308)
Elvis, what difference would it make? I mean that's what would be hilarious about it.
I'm still trying to figure out how Elavia got "least liked" when according to my calculations, she and Bill were tied with 2 votes each.
- Jun 19, 2002 4:14 pm (#103 of 308)
They scored them 1 to 8 so even tough they tied with "Least Liked", the residual low scores against Elavia probably broke the tie.
TJC
- Jun 19, 2002 5:57 pm (#104 of 308)
I'm still trying to figure out how Elavia got "least liked" when according to my calculations, she and Bill were tied with 2 votes each.
The vote results could have been staged.
Anyone else notice at the end that Brigg's(? what a name) duffle bag had his name on tape while the others names seemed to be stenciled on?
Clue or not?
- Jun 19, 2002 6:00 pm (#105 of 308)
Bribs is a nickname. I thought the same thing about the tape at first. :)
Paul O
- Jun 20, 2002 2:02 am (#106 of 308)
I missed it, y'all. Who got booted?
Le Nubian
- Jun 20, 2002 3:12 am (#107 of 308)
Myra.
- Jun 20, 2002 2:13 pm (#108 of 308)
Pretty quick too.
- Jun 20, 2002 2:18 pm (#109 of 308)
That was a nice surprise too. I've wondered if they stage that like the Survivor votes.
- Jun 20, 2002 2:53 pm (#110 of 308)
I missed Tueday's show too. Thank god for message boards.
- Jun 26, 2002 5:05 am (#111 of 308)
The time has come to grease up your Coop!
I think Elavia made the right choice.
Paul O
- Jun 26, 2002 5:15 am (#112 of 308)
I think at least some know who the mole is by now.
Le Nubian
- Jun 26, 2002 5:18 am (#113 of 308)
Totally. She did good.
- Jun 26, 2002 5:31 am (#114 of 308)
Hail Dorothy!
Hail Dorothy!
Hail Dorothy!
I am Smarticus!
Pinwiz - Jun 26, 2002 5:36 am (#115 of 308)
I think Elavia made the right choice.
Word. I wouldn't even have let Coop finish the sentence.
"...$50,000 if you leave the game right-" "YES!"
- Jun 26, 2002 1:10 pm (#116 of 308)
Yeah, I'm sorry to see her go, but it was a good move. I wish Bribs had made a move. That would have been fun.
Katie's look of terror was so funny.
- Jun 26, 2002 2:38 pm (#117 of 308)
"The Mole" remains at large; a third season seems likely
"We're the highest-rated show with viewers 18-49 on all of ABC this summer," Stone says. "We're the show the network is using to promote its new fall schedule. Last week, we doubled the ratings of our lead-in. Traffic on our Web site is up. The network should be thrilled."
"Thrilled" might be going a bit far. But ABC, which lost 20 percent of its viewership last season after a series of scheduling missteps, should certainly look at "The Mole" (8 tonight on Channel 30) as one of the brighter spots on a summer schedule that has seen highly promoted "prestige" projects like "Boston 24/7" and "State v." fail to find large audiences.
...
"Is there hope for a third 'Mole'? Absolutely," Stone says. "Everything we're hearing from the network is that they're very happy, and we're feeling optimistic," especially if viewership builds as the show progresses, as it did last season.
"Mole 3" would probably air next summer. But what about Cooper, who during the show's long hiatus joined CNN's "American Morning" with Paula Zahn?
He'd be back, Stone says. "We have him under contract."
- Jun 26, 2002 2:42 pm (#118 of 308)
YAAAY for Mole, That probably sucks for Coop though.
- Jun 26, 2002 2:43 pm (#119 of 308)
Couldn't he do both?
- Jun 26, 2002 2:45 pm (#120 of 308)
Maybe they would give him a leave of absence. I dunno.
Le Nubian
- Jun 26, 2002 3:03 pm (#121 of 308)
It isn't like his gig on CNN is that great anyway. He is underutilized.
I <heart> Coop. His little dance was fantastic. And the gnome head on a pike, you had to know that was his idea.
Paul O
- Jun 26, 2002 11:08 pm (#123 of 308)
His little dance was fantastic.
LOL. The best bit was that it seemed completely genuine. It must be hard not to do that at every mindgame.
- Jun 26, 2002 11:17 pm (#124 of 308)
sobbing
My tape of the Mole last night didn't tape!
wAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHhhh.
This is two weeks in a row I've missed. Why don't they ever re-run reality shows? I missed the entire first Mole.
- Jun 27, 2002 1:31 pm (#125 of 308)
Oh no! I was at my bf's house and wanted to come back to rewatch Coop's happy dance and found out that I hadn't turned the VCR off. waaah!
Paul O
- Jun 28, 2002 12:14 am (#126 of 308)
And it was a good happy dance too. Mark-not-Marky or Dimples could never do something like that.
- Jul 2, 2002 2:57 pm (#127 of 308)
Do the Coop Dance, a new episode is on Tonight!
- Jul 3, 2002 3:23 pm (#128 of 308)
Oh My God! Katie is Gone!
Nice episode last night, but I felt so sorry for Dorothy when she didn't meet her Mom. I think there is no way now that she can be the mole.
Bill, Darwin, and Al are top on my mole list now. And I hope Heather and her BF had a very nice wedding without any puking dogs around.
- Jul 3, 2002 3:29 pm (#129 of 308)
Classic Coop: mugging for the camera: "That was so touching." <wiping fake tear>
Gah, I want Bill gone. Every episode I cheer for his red screen!
- Jul 3, 2002 3:57 pm (#130 of 308)
I think we've gotten to the point that I will care about each player getting the red screen.
Thank Coop there isn't a Charlie aroound this year.
I definitely feel more invested in everyone's characters this year. I wanted to kill Heather last night. She was always really close to choosing the right loved one, then she went and screwed it up.
She & her boyfriend are cute together, though.
- Jul 3, 2002 4:54 pm (#132 of 308)
Poor Dorothy. I can't imagine the mole would have gone along with sacrificing a loved one like that.
- Jul 3, 2002 5:05 pm (#133 of 308)
On the other hand, if the producers gave a sabotage order to the mole, it would only work for the "Eyes" in the first game. And then the mole would have to be told about another opportunity at the bungy jump.
NOTE: Bungy Jumping backwards is lame. Always jump forward.
- Jul 3, 2002 5:11 pm (#134 of 308)
Have you Bungy'ed?
- Jul 3, 2002 5:22 pm (#135 of 308)
Kawaru Bridge near Queenstown, NZ. About 141 feet, but you touch the river at the bottom. I will tell you that everyone will spin around like a top before you're let down. But it's a lot different when you see the ground coming to you at 90 feet per second.
- Jul 9, 2002 3:14 pm (#136 of 308)
It's TUUUUUUESDAY!
Get ready to do a Coop Dance.
- Jul 9, 2002 3:17 pm (#137 of 308)
Any predictions? I think Dorothy might get the boot.
I hope it's Al. I watched last week's ep again last night, and he is just bugging me. I mean, I can understand why people were annoyed by Katie, but this is not freaking Survivor. When people leave, you say nice things about them. You don't talk about how you're glad they're leaving. And I think the reason she bugged him so much was because he's so similar to her. She cries a lot, but Al is really emotional, and I think having Katie around made him feel uncomfortable with it.
Either way, I don't like him, and I hope he goes.
- Jul 9, 2002 8:12 pm (#139 of 308)
I want to see Bill, Heather, and Dorothy in the final episodes, so I want Bribs to go tonight.
- Jul 9, 2002 8:33 pm (#140 of 308)
Edited by Jul 9, 2002 1:49 pm
No! Bribs and his hot body Must. Stay.
Either way, I don't like him, and I hope he goes.
I can't decide which I hate more: his extra large nostrils or those butt-ugly jeans shorts.
- Jul 9, 2002 8:47 pm (#141 of 308)
Bribs must stay! He's adorable! Hopefully he is the mole (though I doubt it).
Those jeans shorts are baaaad.
Pinwiz - Jul 10, 2002 12:50 am (#142 of 308)
Bribs is cute? I don't see it.
And I think that Heather's toast tonight. She's been built up way too much last episode.
Le Nubian
- Jul 10, 2002 3:42 am (#143 of 308)
well damn. my eye candy is gone! WTF am I gonna do?
- Jul 10, 2002 5:22 am (#144 of 308)
I'm still keeping my initial guess of Bill as the mole, but he's gone way overboard. But Darwin's departure does help my final of Dorothy, Heather, and Bill to happen.
Mega-Coops to Darwin for his "you usually come in shorts" remark.
And Coop under the green light before execution. What next, a Dentist chair and a Pink wig?
Pinwiz - Jul 10, 2002 6:30 am (#145 of 308)
What next, a Dentist chair and a Pink wig?
Only if he wears that horrible purple short-sleeve shirt from earlier.
Mega-Coops to Darwin for his "you usually come in shorts" remark.
I'll miss Darwin. So smart. So funny. They did an exceptionally nice montage of him at the end.
But Oh. My. God. Coop can show up at my bedroom door in a black suit any time.
- Jul 10, 2002 2:05 pm (#147 of 308)
I'll miss Darwin.
Me too. He was so adorable, especially after that nuclear pimple cleared up.
Don't know if y'all read TWOP's clue thread, but this is a link to a MAJOR SPOILER. Don't click on it if you don't want to know who the Mole is.
Spoiler!
Le Nubian
- Jul 10, 2002 2:13 pm (#148 of 308)
Man. I hope that's a coincidence because it is just getting so obvious now.
- Jul 17, 2002 5:02 am (#149 of 308)
Heather is Saved!
Dorothy Survives!
and either Al or Bill is the Mole
That was close. I thought the push for sure meant that Heather was going to get the ax tonight. Good for you girl. Now hopefully Al or Bill will get it next week.
Dorothy Makes cringing claws next episode. Don't forget, last season had the "Trust Me" game in the semi-final.
- Jul 23, 2002 4:06 pm (#150 of 308)
Tuesday Bump
Who will be eliminated before the finals?
- Jul 23, 2002 4:13 pm (#151 of 308)
I'll guess Dorothy.
- Jul 23, 2002 4:49 pm (#152 of 308)
Edited by Jul 23, 2002 9:49 am
I'll guess Bill. I think the Producers have set us up for a "Oh my God! He was SO mole!" reaction.
I say Al. Because I'm soooooo sure Billy Boy is el Mole.
- Jul 23, 2002 6:52 pm (#154 of 308)
Edited by Jul 23, 2002 11:53 am
I vote Al. He's been so nervous and odd and tempermental... I think he's under extra stress.
- Jul 23, 2002 8:01 pm (#155 of 308)
Please, God, let it be Al. Seriously, I can't look up his nostrils another episode!
- Jul 23, 2002 8:08 pm (#156 of 308)
I'm rooting for Heather. She's terrific. Ew, I hope it's not Bill. I hate him!
- Jul 23, 2002 8:37 pm (#157 of 308)
I'd like Heather to win it all, but she's gotta figure out that Bill's the mole.
Pinwiz - Jul 23, 2002 9:07 pm (#158 of 308)
Al. Please?
- Jul 23, 2002 9:31 pm (#159 of 308)
I want Dorothy to win it all.
I have selected Bill as the mole from episode I, but I can deal with it being Al.
Pinwiz - Jul 23, 2002 10:03 pm (#160 of 308)
I'm still sticking with my original hunch of Heather, but then again I swore it was Kate last year.
Le Nubian
- Jul 23, 2002 11:43 pm (#161 of 308)
I want Bill to go tonight, but I'm thinking Heather.
- Jul 24, 2002 12:30 am (#162 of 308)
To clarify my post above, I think Al is the mole.
I bet one of the girls goes tonight.
sigh
Paul O
- Jul 24, 2002 2:16 am (#163 of 308)
postshow
Nooooo. My mole is gone.
Cool final 3 though.
- Jul 24, 2002 5:03 am (#164 of 308)
YES! BILL IS THE MOLE! Nostril Hair is gone!
And Dorothy and Heather are still alive.
- Jul 24, 2002 1:23 pm (#165 of 308)
I can't believe the Reality TV Gods actually granted my wish for once!
No more jean shorts! No more soul sucking nostril camera shots!
Go Heather!
Wooo HOOOO! Al is gone! Al is gone! Al is gone!
- Jul 29, 2002 1:19 pm (#167 of 308)
So Dorothy is acting way too molish to be the Mole. Heather is too similar to Kathryn to be the Mole so it must be Bill. blech.
What do y'all think?
Le Nubian
- Jul 29, 2002 2:24 pm (#168 of 308)
Brian,
it must be Bill. All the clues lead to him.
- Jul 29, 2002 2:32 pm (#169 of 308)
I hope Heather wins. I don't really have any emotional investment in Dorothy. She's kind of a blank to me. She's played her cards soo close to her chest.
- Jul 29, 2002 3:22 pm (#170 of 308)
Bill is the mole. I hope Dorothy wins. It's going to take two weeks to discuss this.
- Jul 29, 2002 8:09 pm (#171 of 308)
Why Dorothy?
Le Nubian
- Jul 29, 2002 9:10 pm (#172 of 308)
Brian, I *love* Dorothy. Heather bugs me. I really want Dorothy to win.
- Jul 30, 2002 1:46 pm (#173 of 308)
Dorothy is flying so low I can't get a read on her. What do you like about her?
It could go either way. Both seem bright. I'm a little surprised that Heather has made it this far. I think she's been underestimated.
Le Nubian
- Jul 30, 2002 3:08 pm (#174 of 308)
Brian, I like Dorothy because I am attracted to intelligence and I also think she's a little shy. Because of these two qualities, I like her by definition.
Also, she seemed legitimately outraged the times she's been neutralized. I liked that outrage.
- Jul 30, 2002 6:21 pm (#175 of 308)
It's Tuesday!
This week will be cometitions only, with Cooper ushering them to take "the Final Quiz" at the end of the hour. Who will win? And Bill is the mole.
- Jul 30, 2002 7:06 pm (#176 of 308)
Heather!
Do they not reveal the winner this week? I don't recall from before, and am easily confused.
- Jul 30, 2002 8:37 pm (#178 of 308)
Edited by Jul 30, 2002 1:39 pm
They have two big games this week, then there are final interviews where they speculate forever and then end it with "Yes. I could be the mole."
The end of the hour has them each sitting at their own terminals to start the final quiz. Here is the cheat sheet At least 21 Quetions, some going back to the beginning...
1) When the players first met in the Castle Tarasp, The Mole was seated in which seat (starting from the entrance to the room)?
First Second Third Fourth Fifth Sixth Seventh Eighth Ninth Tenth Eleventh Twelfth Thirteenth Fourteenth
8) How does The Mole deal with pressure situations?
I try to calmly assess a plan of action
I rely on how I met similar problems in the past
Step by step
I try not to make any immediate judgments or decisions
I don't know - deep breaths?
If it's tons of little things I write them down and cross them out
17) Who was The Mole's hero/idol as a child?
Mickey Mantle
Madonna
Dad
Spiderman
Judy Garland
Mom
I honestly don't remember having a hero or an idol
19) Who is The Mole's favorite artist?
Toulouse-Lautrec
Pablo Picasso
Monet
Salvador Dali
Bettina Steinke
Van Gogh
Cezanne
Andrea Wolff
Who is the Mole?
Heather
Bill
Dorothy
Fade to credits. Next Weeks comes the finale when Anderson brings in all of the former contestants and asks for their guesses. They also show some of the clues they put into each episode for us to figure out. Then the Winner (and the Mole) is revealed.
- Jul 30, 2002 8:56 pm (#179 of 308)
I'll just put this here because the Mole thread is active.
Fox Gets Real with Series Trio
Tue Jul 30, 4:55 AM ET
By Josef Adalian
HOLLYWOOD (Variety) - Fox has snapped up the rights to three
reality TV formats, including a talent boot camp series that's a
logical successor to summer smash "American Idol."
The trio are from Dutch production powerhouse Endemol, which
already has successful shows in place at CBS ("Big Brother 3")
and NBC ("Fear Factor," "Spy TV").
"Star Chamber" is easily the biggest gun in the arsenal. Fox has
agreed to air up to 15 hours of the tentatively titled series, which
will be ready for broadcast as early as summer 2003.
"It's basically a musical performance show that picks up where
'American Idol' leaves off," Endemol USA president David
Goldberg said. "The show is about the process of someone going
from being a regular person to a performer."
"This is the reality version of 'Fame,"' he added. "The key
difference is that this show gives viewers a much better
behind-the-scenes look at how stars are made as opposed to just
seeing them perform."
Like "Big Brother," the finalists will live together, with coaches
training them in everything from singing and choreography to public
relations. It's expected one contestant will be eliminated each week
via a formula that combines the opinions of viewers and the
coaches. The format has already proven successful in other
countries.
Additionally, Endemol will supply Fox with two one-hour episodes
of the relationship format "All You Need Is Love" and an hourlong
episode of "Exhausted." Both are being developed as backdoor
pilots, with Fox reserving an option to turn either project into a
weekly series. They are expected to bow sometime during the
2002-03 season.
The tentatively titled "All You Need Is Love" is a Dutch format
Goldberg describes as "a mondo relationship series."
It will essentially combine elements of "every kind of relationship
reality show you can think of," according to one production insider.
"One segment might be like 'Temptation Island ( news - Y! TV),'
while others could be about surprise proposals or reunions of
long-lost loves," Goldberg said.
"Exhausted," meanwhile, is best described as a sort-of "Fear
Factor" meets a college cram session.
It will take a group of contestants and "pre-exhaust" them, as one
insider puts it. After staying awake for a predetermined amount of
time -- perhaps 24 or 48 hours -- players will then be pitted against
each other in various competitions, performing tasks that are far
more difficult for a sleep-deprived individual.
"The show will come down to two people looking at a huge pot of
money," Goldberg said.
- Jul 30, 2002 9:30 pm (#180 of 308)
Dear God. Enditall is trying to call Big Brother a smash hit? CBS had to bring in Shapiro to fix it, and they'd still get creamed if it weren't a Summer Run.
And the ideas are pretty crappy too. Why not just bring back the Buck Foat?
- Jul 30, 2002 9:43 pm (#181 of 308)
I know. The article should be titled "Fox shovels more crap."
Le Nubian
- Jul 31, 2002 12:04 am (#182 of 308)
LOL
- Jul 31, 2002 5:00 am (#183 of 308)
Edited by Jul 30, 2002 10:01 pm
Bill is still the Mole.
Next Week: Will the real mole please come out of the closet?
- Jul 31, 2002 2:31 pm (#184 of 308)
Interesting that Bill passed on looking at the dossier raising the pot. That's very unmoleish behavior.
- Jul 31, 2002 3:06 pm (#185 of 308)
Did any one wonder what information was really in that dossier? Anderson left it ambiguous, but would it have answers to specific questions on the Quiz? Or would it simply say: Bill is the Mole?
- Jul 31, 2002 3:11 pm (#186 of 308)
Sidenote: I loved Dorothy's kitty hood.
Edited by Aug 1, 2002 10:33 am
I've noticed in the last few episodes when they show the last question on the Quiz "Who is the Mole?" the cursor always brushes over Bill's name. I don't know if it has happened every time, I just started noticing this in the last 3 episodes and unfortunately i didn't tape the rest.
I'm just sayin'. :)
- Aug 1, 2002 5:59 pm (#188 of 308)
We've noticed that, and also when Bribs was just eliminated and the titles went "Who Is the Mole?", the word Mole was under Bill.
- Aug 1, 2002 8:55 pm (#189 of 308)
poor poor bribs
- Aug 6, 2002 11:40 pm (#190 of 308)
Final Episode!
Whill the real Mole please come out of the closet?
Pinwiz - Aug 6, 2002 11:48 pm (#191 of 308)
If it's Heather, I'll be in shock. I picked her as a whim and a hunch, and after the Kate-fiasco of last season I never expect to actually be right.
- Aug 7, 2002 4:57 am (#192 of 308)
Yay! Bill is the Mole! Dorothy Wins.
We picked out the ships, fish, and "Admiral" clues. And I think someone decoded the telegram on one of the boards.
Great Show! PLEASE Let there be a Mole 3!
- Aug 7, 2002 1:59 pm (#193 of 308)
It was a good episode. What a fun show!
Great show, great ending. I was annoyed with the way they kept harping on how Heather "handed" it to Dorothy, though. I mean, why do they think that D. couldn't have gotten it on her own? Sure, she was lucky with Elavia bowing out on the night she would have been booted, but I still think D. was a strong player.
Le Nubian
- Aug 8, 2002 5:16 pm (#195 of 308)
Lyndsey, I was very very irritated about that as well. If it weren't for 11 seconds, Heather's ass wouldn't have been there.
- Aug 8, 2002 5:19 pm (#196 of 308)
...but Dorothy thought Heather was the mole. If she hadn't come to her, who knows what would have happened.
Le Nubian
- Aug 8, 2002 5:43 pm (#197 of 308)
Brian, but how is it Dorothy wasn't eliminated before Darwin if she was 100% convinced that Heather was the mole.
Heather approached Dorothy for a coalition - because she realized Dorothy wasn't the mole. Not because she was 100% sure who the mole was.
- Aug 8, 2002 5:52 pm (#198 of 308)
At that point I think she was reasonably certain that Bill was the mole. At the very least Heather's safety was more certain than Dorothy's. It depended on what direction Al was going whether Dorothy stuck around.
Ultimately, Heather's lack of confidence cost her the game and Dorothy came into her own.
- Aug 8, 2002 5:52 pm (#199 of 308)
I thought she approached Dorothy because she was 99% certain it was Bill, but had some self-doubt going on.
Brian's right, Dorothy thought Heather was the mole - but I have no idea why she wasn't ousted before Darwin.
Le Nubian
- Aug 8, 2002 5:57 pm (#200 of 308)
I thought Dorothy considered Heather a mole possibility and not the only mole option. It is true I could be misinterpreting, but that's how I took Dorothy's comments.
- Aug 8, 2002 7:01 pm (#201 of 308)
Uncertainty could still hurt you that close to the finale. I'm not sure you could win without an alliance to be honest. Heather's alliance with Katie got her to the top. Dorothy's alliance with Heather allowed her to win.
Le Nubian
- Aug 8, 2002 7:19 pm (#202 of 308)
Brian, but Al split his answers amongst 3 people.
So my point is that except for the final quiz, at least one player was either really wrong or splitting his or her votes.
- Aug 8, 2002 7:21 pm (#203 of 308)
Okay, but if going into the final quiz, Dorothy still wasn't sure about the Bill/Heather moleness she probably would have missed more than she did. Don't you think?
Unless she had formed an alliance with Al, which was unlikely.
Le Nubian
- Aug 8, 2002 7:23 pm (#204 of 308)
Brian,
on that I completely agree. I'm just wondering if Dorothy would have figured it out by then.
- Aug 20, 2002 2:59 pm (#205 of 308)
Good News in Variety today
ABC has authorized preproduction for a celbrity Mole 3 and an all-new Mole 4 for next summer.
Strictly rumour right now.
Pinwiz - Aug 21, 2002 12:01 am (#206 of 308)
celbrity Mole 3
Ick.
- Aug 21, 2002 5:21 am (#207 of 308)
And just think, they will probably use as many ABC Players as possible:
What you'll Want: Jennifer Garner, Michael Vartan, Victor Garber, and Tony Shalub
What You'll Get: Regis Philbin, Ryan Styles, Drew Carey, Barbara Walters, and Heather Locklear
- Aug 21, 2002 1:19 pm (#208 of 308)
and don't forget Charlie Sheen and Carrot Top.
- Aug 21, 2002 1:39 pm (#209 of 308)
Or, the entire cast of Hollywood Squares.
Le Nubian
- Aug 21, 2002 2:24 pm (#210 of 308)
Brian, you like that Joe Boxer ad, huh?
- Aug 21, 2002 2:45 pm (#211 of 308)
hee, yeah, he makes me giggle whenever I see him. Plus I think the guy is adorable. Right now they play it just the right amount of time to not be annoying.
- Oct 31, 2002 11:02 pm (#212 of 308)
HOLLYWOOD (Variety) - ABC has finished casting -- and shooting -- its celeb edition of "The Mole." "Spin City" co-star Michael Boatman, "L.A. Law" vet Corbin Bernsen, "Living Single" regular Kim Coles and "Dinotopia" thesp Erik von Detten all signed on to participate in the six-week series, which is likely to bow in January.
They joined previously announced players Stephen Baldwin, Kathy Griffin and Frederique.
The show quietly wrapped production earlier this month following nearly two weeks of on-location production in Hawaii. Former NBA commentator Ahmad Rashad is replacing Anderson Cooper as host.
Exec producer Scott Stone said he and partner David Stanley had been worried about finding celebs to sign on to a show like "The Mole," which requires them to commit a significant chunk of time to production. But shooting in Hawaii -- as well as allowing celebs to bring along one friend or family member during the trip -- helped producers in the casting process.
What's more, the fact that there are no vote-offs in "The Mole" ensured no celebrity egos would be too seriously bruised in the making of the program.
"This is not a popularity contest," Stone said. "It's the thinking man's reality show. You're in or out of the game based on your own work playing the game."
Celebs came into the game with varying levels of knowledge about past seasons of "The Mole." While Griffin "knew more about the show than we did," Stanley said, others had to watch a batch of tapes before signing on.
Unlike the civilian version of "The Mole," celebs weren't sequestered during the hours they weren't participating in challenges or other forms of gameplay. As a result, the "loneliness factor" that affects non-celeb players didn't show up, Stanley said.
In addition, the 10-day production schedule meant cramming many elements of the show into a condensed timeframe.
That said, celebs still were put through the usual mix of mental and physical challenges that have come to be the show's trademarks. What's more, because all of the celebs are professional actors, the one person among the seven who's actually the Mole possesses playacting skills civilians might not possess.
"Even if they weren't the Mole, all the players were acting as if they were," Stone said. "Sometimes we ourselves forgot who the Mole was."
Both installments of "The Mole" have ranked among ABC's top programs in viewers 18-34. The second installment, which ran last summer, did particularly well considering it was on opposite Fox's "American Idol" juggernaut.
- Nov 1, 2002 1:44 pm (#213 of 308)
Frederique.
Who?
I think this may kill the Mole franchise - no Coop, no elimination, no stress, no entertainment.
Victoria's Secret model.
Who's Michael Boatman?
Gay black man on Spin City, I think the character's name was Carter.
- Nov 1, 2002 3:02 pm (#216 of 308)
Victoria's Secret model.
Ah, now it makes sense I've never heard of her. heh. I was hoping for some big glamazon drag queen.
Ah. Thanks.
Le Nubian
- Nov 1, 2002 5:50 pm (#218 of 308)
They will be eliminated...just not voted out (like Survivor).
referential
- Nov 1, 2002 6:18 pm (#219 of 308)
Actually, Frederique van der Wal has some drag queen aspects. Deepish voice, at least. :-)
TJC
- Nov 1, 2002 9:36 pm (#220 of 308)
Celebrity Mole? Yuck! Pass.
- Nov 4, 2002 5:12 am (#221 of 308)
Surely Kathy is the mole? I mean, who could they pick to work more closely with the producers than her?
- May 7, 2008 8:55 pm (#222 of 308)
Using the Post of Swans, I Ressurect this thread!
kathlyn - May 7, 2008 11:36 pm (#223 of 308)
Is there really another Mole coming?
Bacon - May 8, 2008 2:07 pm (#224 of 308)
Ressurect
Resurrect. Gotta cast the spell just right if you expect it to work. For penance, go run three times widdershins around the bell tower at midnight.
- May 8, 2008 3:11 pm (#225 of 308)
Just so long as it's not the "Tiny Bubbles" Room
David Doorley
- May 26, 2008 6:41 pm (#226 of 308)
Background info please. I watched about 1/2 of the first season years ago, but did this series continue for several years? Was it popular at the time? I lost interest and never did find out who the mole was.
Sadie Kate
- May 27, 2008 3:37 am (#227 of 308)
I believe that there were two regular seasons (with non-celebrities), and two celebrity editions. The regular seasons were better (and enriched by the presence of Anderson Cooper), but the celebrity seasons had their charms (Dennis Rodman was surprisingly engaging, mostly because I don't think even he could figure out whether or not he was the Mole).
- May 27, 2008 11:07 am (#228 of 308)
My husband never saw the original Mole, but watched at least the first Celeb Mole with me. He found Corbin Bernsen's obsession amusing as hell. And Stephen Baldwin -- is he really stupid or just looks that way -- was also funny. My husband still asks after The Mole.
Not sure if I want to watch without Anderson. Do we know who will attempt to fill his shoes?
Le Nubian
- May 29, 2008 2:07 am (#230 of 308)
I love "The Mole" so much I might watch it almost under any condition. Just bring it on!
Gary R
- May 29, 2008 7:20 pm (#231 of 308)
Do we know who will attempt to fill his shoes?
Jon Kelley
Also mentioned in the header...
Looking in the new (print) TVGuide - there is a picture of the contestants. This one cracks me up:
Ali: Religious ex-party girl with a thing for guns
Must be a Republican!
and this:
Victoria: Foul-mouthed pageant queen
I think this person has been on Survivor, TAR, TRW, AI, and currently on SYTYCD. Go figure!
David Doorley
- May 30, 2008 3:02 pm (#232 of 308)
Ohmigod, is she the one on TAR who had an abusive husband and they kept screaming at each other? One time it looked like he almost hit her.
<looking for an excuse not to Ti-faux The Mole>
- May 30, 2008 3:27 pm (#233 of 308)
By the way, Fox Reality Channel will be aving a Mole Marathon this weekend. Check local Listings.
- Jun 3, 2008 3:51 am (#234 of 308)
Interesting batch of characters.
I hated the new host within the first 10 words he spoke.
- Jun 3, 2008 3:52 am (#235 of 308)
Damn, I forgot to record it. Does anyone know if there will be a replay or if it will be available online?
kathlyn - Jun 3, 2008 4:01 am (#236 of 308)
Who's the new host?
- Jun 3, 2008 1:03 pm (#237 of 308)
I've never even seen the previous seasons, but I still missed Anderson Cooper! Victoria from TAR isn't one of the contestants.
David Doorley
- Jun 3, 2008 1:49 pm (#238 of 308)
One episode was enough. I'm outta here...
- Jun 3, 2008 2:18 pm (#239 of 308)
Not as good. They should have kept the 70's Spy Music. And the host lost me when he said "What's Up, Doc?"
But's its still a lot better than a dozen summer shows. I'm wondering about the history teacher
- Jun 3, 2008 4:44 pm (#240 of 308)
that Doc "whiner" -- man, I'd think she was a plant. Yikes.
Not sure who I think is the mole. The stay-at-home mom is very plausible. The goofy fat guy is plausible. The history teacher is -- a Victrola for the 1700s??? Wha?
- Jun 3, 2008 5:34 pm (#241 of 308)
Marcie, the stay-at-home mom, was executed last night. And the only thing we know for sure at this point is that Marcie was not the mole.
I think Mark the history teacher was dealing with what the scavengers had given him, and the other two "appraisers" wanted those items in.
The Copper Pot and the Tobacco were not found on the beach by the scavengers.
And I think there could have been a better way to do the timekeeping, but I don't blame them for running out of steam.
- Jun 3, 2008 5:37 pm (#242 of 308)
doh! I fell asleep and didn't see the last few minutes. Har.
- Jun 3, 2008 6:12 pm (#243 of 308)
The Other Contestants
- Jun 3, 2008 6:25 pm (#244 of 308)
Argh, I forgot about it.
Gary R
- Jun 3, 2008 6:35 pm (#245 of 308)
Alot of them were acting mole-y. The skinny guy staggering around the beach, clutching his pearlschest was a big WTF?
I think the rest of the group should conspire to terrorize Doc Whiner. Such a Diva attitude!
- Jun 3, 2008 7:28 pm (#246 of 308)
I think I remeber last time that Darwin had an alliance with one contestant, and then she was eliminated, and then changed alliance to another guy, and then he was eliminated, and then to yet another guy, and then he was eliminated before Darwin finally got executed himself.
It was funny finding out that one. I forget if Admiral Mole actually had any alliances himself.
AlleyKat
- Jun 5, 2008 1:26 am (#247 of 308)
I just checked and if anyone wants to watch the first episode it's online at abc.com
- Jun 5, 2008 4:21 pm (#248 of 308)
Thanks for telling us. Let us know if you see anything 'interesting' on it. I think mine's still on the Tivo.
kathlyn - Jun 5, 2008 8:06 pm (#249 of 308)
Thanks for the tip, AlleyKat, I watched it last night. That new host is really wooden, and has a weird delivery. Hopefully he'll loosen up a bit, and not sound quite so telepromptery.
Didn't they play for a million last time? $500K, of which thousands get taken off each day, seems kinda chintzy.
- Jun 5, 2008 8:32 pm (#250 of 308)
It is. But its a Summer series.
Now what I don't know is why does "Moment of Truth" only go to $500k because unless a pathological liar steps in the chair there is No Way that anyone is ever going to take the top prize.
kathlyn - Jun 5, 2008 9:26 pm (#251 of 308)
I have never seen more than a clip or two of Moment of Truth. Do people usually make it to $500k, or do they give up? Or do most people end up lying? It seems so chancy, since lie detector tests are so unreliable. YOu could get booted for telling the truth!
TJC
- Jun 6, 2008 12:22 am (#252 of 308)
The host was less then thrilling. I also found the Faux Mole posturing rather tiresome. I'm not sure how long I will stick with the show.
- Jun 6, 2008 1:34 am (#253 of 308)
and has a weird delivery. Hopefully he'll loosen up a bit, and not sound quite so telepromptery.
This. Hopefully he warms up to the show.
I rewatched it last night because my husband couldn't see it Monday. Now, I really was not surprised about Marcie -- she talked about why she picked certain people, and she was not very Mole-ish.
Ditto Dr. Whiner. She talked about picking the history teacher for the appraiser thinking he could to a good job, and she sounded disappointed. Unless the mole is trying to fool us! LOL Anyway, I don't think she's the mole. That's way too good an acting job. But it would be good to be the most hated because then people wouldn't talk to you to find stuff out about you.
I'm still in. It shows promise.
Terra Firma - Jun 6, 2008 5:28 pm (#254 of 308)
I didn't understand the criticism of the teacher regarding his appraising. The only two items that were missed were never found/presented to him.
- Jun 6, 2008 7:10 pm (#255 of 308)
Dr Whiner was the one complaining about him. I originally was suspicious of him, but yeah, he didn't have a lot to choose from when he put the Victrola or the camera on the table.
- Jun 10, 2008 3:09 pm (#256 of 308)
Well, Liz got executed this week, which is good because she's a drag. Remember Charlie in a previous season? He fought a bull. Liz gave up too easily.
Mark this time was so far not-mole that we should call him bird. And Bobby is either the worst Mole ever, or just a very bad player. I hope he gets executed next.
Gary R
- Jun 11, 2008 4:06 pm (#257 of 308)
Bobby is like Survivor!Chet. Ugh. He's either the biggest weakling or the mole. And Tool who is constantly bitching at him reminds me of Boston Rob. Ugh. And Dr Whiner is a beyotch. I agree that would be a good tactic for the mole. And it's not like people don't like you, so they'll vote you out. Maybe Bobby will take the $30K next week and be done with it.
- Jun 11, 2008 4:31 pm (#258 of 308)
Agreed. Except this time, no happy dance...just another Execution
- Jun 17, 2008 4:16 pm (#259 of 308)
YAY! Annoying, useless, whiney Bobby is Executed! And Ali takes the cash. No Cooper Happy Dance this time!
I also loved how the address of the Dry Cleaners was on the card, but no one clued on it. And not one of the girls asked the schoolboys for a shirt?
Mark and Clay get Mole-points for opting out of the dinner challenge.
Le Nubian
- Jun 18, 2008 3:35 am (#260 of 308)
I actually liked last night's ep. I was ready to give up - but that was actually an interesting ep.
Gary R
- Jun 18, 2008 3:55 am (#261 of 308)
Bobby had his chance. IDIOT! Ya coulda left with some $$$. So he wasn't the Mole. He was just Survivor!Chet. *sigh*
- Jun 18, 2008 4:30 am (#262 of 308)
Mark and Clay get Mole-points for opting out of the dinner challenge.
Well, Mark didn't have a choice if Clay was opting out. Mark couldn't complete the challenge without his teammate. So Clay was particularly Mole-y.
I have my suspicions about Clay. And Alex. And Nicole. And Paul. And... um. Well, basically I still don't have a clue.
Sadie Kate
- Jun 18, 2008 1:15 pm (#263 of 308)
Well, I've been positive since the first episode that the mole was Ali. So I'm back to square one.
Artyshellz
- Jun 18, 2008 10:25 pm (#264 of 308)
Ali was smart, I would have taken the money, I'm not on the show to "win it all", I'm on the show "to win some money" and $30gz is definately some money.
I can't believe Bobby is not the mole, how weak is that???
- Jun 18, 2008 10:46 pm (#265 of 308)
I would've been very disappointed if Bobby had been the Mole.
And yeah, I think Ali made a smart move.
TJC
- Jun 19, 2008 1:25 am (#266 of 308)
I would've been very disappointed if Bobby had been the Mole.
Me too. He was so lame.
Right now I think it's Nicole.
- Jun 19, 2008 3:50 pm (#267 of 308)
If I was on the show and I had no clue or even three "Likely Suspects" I probably would have taken the money, myself.
Besides, with the total possible pool now down to less than $500k, there probably won't be a lot left.
- Jun 24, 2008 3:52 pm (#268 of 308)
Edited Jun 24, 2008 6:54 pm
I'm getting tired of these strength and endurance challenges when they cast a guy like Chris in it. This time they had to call the EMTs.
Kudos to Chris for performing the challenge, but the Producers needed to be slapped.
In all fairness, I think altitude sickness or hypothermia could have claimed any of the contestants, I'm just glad Bobby went home last week or Kristen would have had to carry him too.
(..and just for the record, I think Kristen is the Mole. Ha, now that I state it here, she'll be gone next week.)
- Jun 24, 2008 6:55 pm (#270 of 308)
I really didn't spot Mole-signs in this episode. So I'm still pushing Paul as the most likely mole.
- Jul 1, 2008 3:29 pm (#271 of 308)
It looked like your curse worked, Matilda!
I'm still thinking its Paul. I did like the Chain Game.
Terra Firma - Jul 1, 2008 6:15 pm (#272 of 308)
I'm thinking that it's Craig. Is that his name? The big guy!
- Jul 1, 2008 6:37 pm (#273 of 308)
The way he walked up that mountain with the "gold" bricks until he needed to be taken away by ambulance? That's very un-moley behavior!
Terra Firma - Jul 1, 2008 7:46 pm (#274 of 308)
I thought his time away from the game was a chance for him to get some coaching, etc. Also, this was during the time that diaries were taken, so perhaps he was given a chance to read them to see what people were writing about him, etc.
Hmm... Well, I was wrong again! Maybe Paul? Yeah, Paul is the Mole. No wait, Paul is the Walrus... umm crap, nevermind.
- Jul 22, 2008 6:47 am (#276 of 308)
Edited Jul 22, 2008 6:21 pm
Down goes Clay. And who here thought Omarossa Dr. Nichole was going to quit "because its better than losing"?
Paul is still my Mole-man. Nichole is #2. Either Craig or Coach Mark being the Mole makes no sense.
I think Mark is the Mole (despite the Corbin Bernsen-like behavior .)
Molly B.
- Jul 22, 2008 7:51 pm (#278 of 308)
I don't think that Mark is the Mole. Too many opportunities to sabotage or allow sabotage that he didn't take advantage of (Clay's math mistake; when he was on the treadmill that time). Although that's what I hate about this game -- there's no incentive (as far as I know) for the Mole to maximize their Mole-ish-ness.
Nicole is just too flagrant. I'd be disappointed if she's the Mole.
I think Craig. I love the idea of someone who is not that competent physically having a cover for failure.
- Jul 22, 2008 9:45 pm (#279 of 308)
But Craig has not been making that many Mole-signs. Plus he pushed it on that Gold Bar Challenge
Le Nubian
- Jul 23, 2008 2:18 am (#280 of 308)
The first time I liked Nicole was last night. She seems to have a good sense of humor and doesn't take herself nearly as seriously as I thought. I enjoyed her presence on the show.
I am actually thinking she's the mole. She is too obvious, but I can't really believe anyone that competitive would want to split that like. She's also the main person who talked about the stress of the game - which is what Katherine expressed around this time in Season 1.
- Jul 29, 2008 6:22 am (#281 of 308)
My choice is gone, but it makes it official to me:
Nicole is the Mole.
Craig and mark have shown too little Mole-signs. When Paul said he was making it for Craig, I knew it would either be Paul is the Mole, or tonight's victim.
And I still miss Coop, he would have said something better than "don't touch the host"
- Jul 29, 2008 6:28 am (#282 of 308)
So Paul was eliminated? Damn, I missed it. I picked Nicole in week 2 when she got that immunity.
Terra Firma - Jul 29, 2008 5:29 pm (#283 of 308)
I think it's Craig. He's got all of these built in excuses for keeping money out of the pot. He's overweight, he's got vertigo, he's afraid of heights, etc. If he truly has all of these problems, I can't see production casting him in any role other than as the mole.
- Jul 29, 2008 5:34 pm (#284 of 308)
Other than being a like-able guy and the underdog.
Le Nubian
- Jul 29, 2008 6:26 pm (#285 of 308)
WG, isn't Craig too obvious though?
I am thinking it is Mark actually. I thought it might be Nicole - but I just can't believe that someone who acted like the mole this whole time would actually be the mole.
Craig seems WAY too obvious to me at this point. Mark is Mr. Hardworking man and could subtly throw a monkeywrench in the works.
I thought the dinner scene before they took the test was VERY interesting. It was clear to me that Paul and Nicole felt that one of them was going to be gone and that Mark and Craig were "safe." Paul clearly seemed to think Craig was the mole and they showed that. So I'm wondering (since they made this so obvious) if Craig really is the mole and Paul didn't get all the questions, or if Craig isn't the mole and Paul got it wrong.
Hard to believe he would have made it this far and not know who the mole is.
- Jul 29, 2008 7:25 pm (#286 of 308)
You only have to be quicker than the other player making the same wrong assumption.
Le Nubian
- Jul 29, 2008 7:26 pm (#287 of 308)
yeah, but they've survived so many others though. I know the first two seasons, the players knew who the mole was by final 4.
Terra Firma - Jul 29, 2008 7:44 pm (#288 of 308)
Here's my thinking (and I've missed one episode, and saw a couple out of order, so I may be off):
Mark: seems to have put a lot of money in the pot. If he were the mole, he could have messed up a few more things without drawing too much attention to himself. For example, he was acting very rattled after the diaries were destroyed. If he were the mole, he could have sabotoged the task where they were chained together without drawing too much additional suspicion, but he didn't. If he is the mole ... great job! I'll enjoy seeing the segment where they show the things that I missed.
Nicole: just feels like she's been too overt in her attempts to act moleish. Now that everyone left probably knows who the mole is (and therefore there is no benefit to her to act moleish), she seems to be pretty focused on getting money in the pot. (As an aside, it was an interesting comment that she made about the goggles being like laproscopic surgery).
Craig: I don't think that they would have cast someone with vertigo and fear of heights on a show with some of the competitions that they've had. I think he's faking or exasperating his physical limitations. It seems like (at least for awhile) he was getting away with "nice but incompetent". Reaching for the chalk when he was 5 feet away seemed like just a way to kill time. Then stepping past the chalk so that he was blocking the view from the camera?
Le Nubian
- Jul 30, 2008 12:02 am (#289 of 308)
WG, perhaps, but he had a real health emergency and was taken out of the game for a day.
Mark did refuse to do a few challenges a few eps back (in a way that was kind of suspicious) and he threw an absolutely unnecessary hissy fit when the journals were burned - I just couldn't believe how off the deep end he went.
I thought that when the Black man left, that Mark was the mole because that was the Black man's partner in crime.
I agree that Craig has been sabotaging challenges, but frequently non-moles do that to throw suspicion off the mole. Kathryn (mole #1) was told not to mess up a couple of challenges because the other contestants were doing fine messing up the challenges as it was.
- Jul 30, 2008 1:50 pm (#290 of 308)
(As an aside, it was an interesting comment that she made about the goggles being like laproscopic surgery).
If her work with those goggles is any example of her ability as a surgeon, I wouldn't feel safe with her above me in an operating room!
Le Nubian
- Jul 30, 2008 4:40 pm (#291 of 308)
she wasn't wearing the goggles though!
Terra Firma - Jul 30, 2008 6:14 pm (#292 of 308)
I also wanted to say that now we are officiallly
PAUL FREE
(although we're not in van #2.) I think that this is my favorite bit from this season:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f8IX4CFP9U
- Aug 5, 2008 6:00 pm (#293 of 308)
After last night, I'm still standing by Nicole being Mole. Greenwich is not in the sae time Zone as Paris. They may not have called her out on it, but she was wrong.
Also she said she was glad to be done with it all before the actual test.
That said, if I'm right, she is the Worst Mole Ever! Waaay too obvious with everything. What was that with arguing with Jon about the flags? Go figure!
- Aug 5, 2008 6:49 pm (#294 of 308)
Yep...she's the Mole and the worst ever.
Now won't we feel funny when it's Mark!
- Aug 12, 2008 2:08 pm (#295 of 308)
Well, I'm pretty glad for the winner, and I like who the Mole turned out to be.
Unfortunately, that's probably it for this show, thanks to ABC's decision to run at 10pm instead of 8 or 9. Oh, and Jon is no Coop.
- Aug 12, 2008 2:21 pm (#296 of 308)
I never get the alleged "hidden clues"...but I'm happy for the way it turned out.
Glad I don't have Nicole as an OB-GYN, though. Ha!
Le Nubian
- Aug 12, 2008 3:17 pm (#297 of 308)
You know, I was hoping Craig wasn't the mole because I thought that was too obvious, but hey - he seems like a nice enough fellow. I liked his observation that people seem to assume a big guy is kind of slow.
Damn. Harsh but true.
- Aug 12, 2008 3:23 pm (#298 of 308)
It worked against them! No one picked him as the mole until the 7th week.
And Nicole had so many mole-signs she should be seeing a dermotologist.
- Aug 12, 2008 5:45 pm (#299 of 308)
I can't believe I forgot it was on! So, do I read correctly that Craig was the Mole? Who won then?
Terra Firma - Aug 12, 2008 5:54 pm (#300 of 308)
Man, I usually stink at this game, but I picked Craig at week 2, really couldn't bring myself to suspect anyone else after that. I was surprised that the medical emergency was real. They risked the whole production by having their overweight mole do a physical task at high altitude.
- Aug 12, 2008 6:10 pm (#301 of 308)
Yes, Criag was the Mole. Mark won by getting 17 out of 20 questions right over Nicole's 13 of 20. He said that the $75,000 dossier gave him the answer to only one question. They estimate Craig took a $100,000 out fo the prize.
A feel-good ending, they brought in Mark's wife so he could tell her she can quit her job to take care of the kids.
Now, imagine what would have happened if Craig was out of the game after that trip to the hospital. Could they have even continued?
Le Nubian
- Aug 12, 2008 6:16 pm (#302 of 308)
I think someone else would have been assigned the role of the mole. There were plenty of people at that point who kept $$ out of the pot.
Terra Firma - Aug 12, 2008 7:24 pm (#303 of 308)
Once I suspected Craig, I noticed that they never called his name during the executions. As far as the other clues shown ... my eyes are too bad or my tv is too small. No chance at all of me picking up those clues.
Le Nubian
- Aug 13, 2008 1:33 am (#304 of 308)
they have called previous moles during executions. I'm not sure why Craig's name wasn't called.
- Aug 13, 2008 1:48 pm (#305 of 308)
They seemed to get to the evictees earlier in the call-outs this season...or so it seemed to me. Once it was the first name on the screen!
- Aug 13, 2008 2:43 pm (#306 of 308)
Mark won
Yeah! Mukwonago represents!
Terra Firma - Aug 13, 2008 3:27 pm (#307 of 308)
They seemed to get to the evictees earlier in the call-outs this season...or so it seemed to me. Once it was the first name on the screen!
I noticed that too. I glanced at the clock that night, and thought to myself ... they're out of time, it's going to be first name!
kathlyn - Aug 13, 2008 4:29 pm (#308 of 308)
It's also possible that they did call other names before that, but they just edited them out. They all keep sitting there, after all, though I guess they would have to cut in 'worried' shots of people if they had already been cleared.
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