The Bachelor / Bachelorette
spainerk - Jan 9, 2003 6:30 pm
Edited by Elvis Bus Sep 24, 2008 5:14 pm
So, did anyone watch The Bachelorette or Joe Millionaire last week?
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This thread has been Ressurected from the Archives. Joe Millionaire has, alas, moved on......
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- Jan 6, 2009 7:27 am (#282 of 519)
Deanna is so nauseating. She's clearly always "on", always acting, always putting out for the cameras. I don't know that she's had a single genuine moment, although she would say she's all about Keeping it Real! What a tool she is. In love with the idea of being in love. She wanted to be gushed over, worshipped, and she got that alright -- from a guy who was never going to make her happy.
Yeah, I loved how she told Jason that she just decided she loved the other guy the day of the final rose ceremony.
WTF? If you didn't know before then, you probably don't love him at all.
Deanna chose the one guy who was completely opposite to the men she usually dated - so of course it didn't last. I think she only kept Jason so long because she wanted to believe that she could be an instant mom. I was so glad she didn't pick him (who was the guy who was #3, who freaked out when he was sent home? she kept saying he was perfect and the absolutely right choice, so she axed him). She should have gone with the basketball player - he may have been dysfunctional, but they were meant for each other.
David Doorley
- Jan 6, 2009 5:23 pm (#285 of 519)
I don't think I've ever watched an entire Bachelor show (Does Joe Millionaire count?) so I thought I'd give this a try. The guy seems likeable enough, but most of the giggling women just seem too immature for a single dad. Here's a guy who says he's looking for love (I believe him), and in almost every intro the woman says how handsome he is. Duh. Ladies, mention the kid (some did). But will there be enough drama/tension whatever to keep us watching? Not sure. The 2 hrs seemed long to me. I'll keep watching it right now because of potty-mouth mom (who's from my town). Oh, and what happened to his wife? I know they're divorced, but is she still alive?
kathlyn - Jan 6, 2009 6:21 pm (#286 of 519)
She's alive and living in Seattle, and they have shared custody.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/394578_bachelor05.html
I found that as he gave out the roses, I kept thinking 'who the heck is she?' It was very difficult to keep them straight. It also seemed like they gave an awful lot away in the previews about who makes it a long way. Though again, since I can't keep them straight, I'll no doubt forget them all.
David Doorley
- Jan 6, 2009 7:57 pm (#287 of 519)
It also seemed like they gave an awful lot away in the previews about who makes it a long way.
I thought the same thing and they even showed him dancing with his "wife" at the end. But the camera was pretty far away. We may have gotten the best of Bachelor in those previews.
Oh, so the kid doesn't live full time with him. Everyone keeps referring to him as a single father, which kind of indicated to me that he was the primary parent. But who knows.
- Jan 6, 2009 8:06 pm (#288 of 519)
Yeah, by the way they made it sound, I thought he was a widower.
I don't want to spoil anything for anyone who didn't watch the previews, so if you are interested in Deanna's reappearance, you might find them on the ABC website. As you might expect with the show, "the claws will come out!"
Deanna strikes me as a Borderline Personality, but then, I don't really know much it.
- Jan 6, 2009 10:30 pm (#289 of 519)
What they did show that was spoilerish was not just his dancing with his 'bride' but his getting down on one knee to propose, and you can clearly see the side of her body, her jewelery, and what dress she's wearing!! This was a close up so it's clearly him.
David Doorley
- Jan 6, 2009 10:36 pm (#290 of 519)
He certainly is quick to propose isn't he. And the track record of reality matches is soooo good. Calls his sanity into question.
- Jan 6, 2009 10:38 pm (#291 of 519)
BEING on this show calls someone's insanity into question -- men and women!
David Doorley
- Jan 6, 2009 10:38 pm (#292 of 519)
What does that mean about us watchers?
- Jan 6, 2009 10:40 pm (#293 of 519)
That we're merely students of psychology and trying to broaden our horizons.
Yeah, that's it.
;-)
Of course it is.
I think the kid's mother has got to be nuts to allow this shit, though. If he's on screen a little or a lot, it doesn't matter---he is a part of the plot of this show and that's over the line for me.
(I'll still check it out, though. I recorded it last night because there was College Basketball and I was overruled).
From what Jason said in the previous show, the mom is a little nuts (I think she had substance abuse issues as well, but I'm not sure). Watching the opener, I don't think Ty is going to be a big part of the show - the previews were typical dating, hot tubbing, kissing, etc.
- Jan 7, 2009 4:54 pm (#297 of 519)
Except the previews made a point to show that he did spend the night with one of the women.
I'm not sure how reliable this website is http://celebrity.rightpundits.com/?p=4851 but here's a little more of Jason's bio:
32 year old Jason Mesnick was born in 1976 in Cleveland, Ohio. He moved to Washington when he was eight years old, and received his BA in psychology at the University of Washington. He was previously married to Hilary Buckholz-Monrean, but the couple divorced in 2006. They share a three year old son, Ty. Ty is a central part of his life, as his ex-wife travels a lot with her job and he, therefore, spends a lot of time with his son. Jason currently works as an account executive in estate and legacy planning. He is also a Big Brother with Big Brothers/Big Sisters of America.
It's hard to criticize someone who volunteers, but with his ex often away, and his full-time job, and the television shows and stuff, when does he find the time, and should he take even that little amount of time away from his own son? Or maybe the son comes along. But that wouldn't be fair to the kid he's mentoring, would it?
Not sure how I feel about that.
Also -
Of his time on the show, he says “I’m engaged! I found exactly what I was hoping for, what I was looking for. I’m completely in love.”
Where have we heard that before?
Oh, yeah, I just remembered something else I meant to say about Monday's show.
The girl whose husband died...both times she said "he was tragically killed in a plane crash" in a sort of emotionless monotone.
I'm being picky, I know, but who uses the word "tragically" like that, in such a rehearsed-sounding way?
Wouldn't you just say "my husband died in a plane crash"?
I'm sure the producers checked out her story, but it really set off my "something's wrong here" radar. Which I'll admit, can sometimes be overly sensitive, but more often is right on the money.
- Jan 9, 2009 1:29 pm (#300 of 519)
"he was tragically killed in a plane crash" in a sort of emotionless monotone.
I noticed that, too. The first time she said it, I thought it was odd, but she was talking to the producers, so I thought it might have been prompted. But when she said it in conversation with Jason, I thought, "Weird!" She's rather bizarre, though-- what with the dramatic makeup and fancy home furnishings-- looks like she lives in a mansion, or wants us to think she does.
Thank you, filmy! I'm not nuts.
She is very bizarre. I was kind of surprised he kept her, but then I thought maybe it was out of sympathy. Or maybe he saw more of her than we did and got a different vibe. Who knows?
Molly B.
- Jan 13, 2009 8:27 pm (#302 of 519)
Heh ... my friend and I kept waiting for the word "tragically" last night when she was telling the other girls about the plane crash.
kathlyn - Jan 13, 2009 9:25 pm (#303 of 519)
I laughed my ass off during the 'Next Week on the Bachelor' bit at the end when the plane crash lady sailed forth and practically tackled her 4 year old. Ha! Ty better watch out for this one!
my friend and I kept waiting for the word "tragically" last night
I know! LOL.
She (Stephanie) looked kinda nuts this episode. Something about her eyes, her cheekbones, I don't know. Something's off.
But, in the preview for next week, she looks more relaxed and comfortable and sorta normal. That's a really nice surprise they gave her, too.
Megan (the one the other girls wanted to get rid of) looks and acts older than 25. Maybe it's from being a mom? She was right about that other girl being two-faced, but it did her no good to bring it up.
I loved how when Jason was talking to that dark-haired girl (Elena? Sorry, I'll get her name) he was saying how she had "obvious assets" and the camera panned right down on her breasts. She does have nice ones.
David Doorley
- Jan 14, 2009 7:09 pm (#305 of 519)
I bailed out but still want to know who gets dumped. So who was eliminated this week?
kathlyn - Jan 14, 2009 7:28 pm (#306 of 519)
Hmm, it's been two days since I saw that, and it's pretty hazy. I know the Brazilian 'medical student' got booted, probably due to her semi-stalking act of hiding in his limo in order to pursue a very awkward and intense conversation with Jason.
One girl left voluntarily, citing her Grandmother's cancer. Lisa, I think? Seeing as when she had the discussion with him I had no idea who she was, I suspect she saw the writing on the wall and quit before she got eliminated.
The other one who left was the idiot blonde who quit her teaching job in order to be on the Bachelor. I fear for our children's future.
- Jan 14, 2009 7:56 pm (#307 of 519)
At least she isn't teaching our future now!
David Doorley
- Jan 14, 2009 8:37 pm (#308 of 519)
Three in one week! This is going to go faster than I thought. (I might come back for potty-mouth mama.)
Fans of this show should check their DVRs. House and How I Met Your Mother are up against it tomorrow. My DVR had cancelled the recording of The Bachelor.
Good thing I've got another DVR in my bedroom!
Jason is starting to bug me, for some reason.
I can't understand why he keeps Megan week after week. She's not that attractive, and her personality sucks.
Although, in one of Jason's discussions tonight, with Nikki, I believe, she was saying how she likes thing orderly and always has a back-up plan. And Jason said he was the opposite. He likes things to be constantly changing and spur of the moment. (Paraphrasing.)
So maybe he's keeping Megan because he thinks she will be more exciting to be around than someone who is very measured in their approach to life.
I swear he just kept Nikki because of her boobs. They have nothing but awkward moments when they try to talk.
kathlyn - Jan 20, 2009 1:52 pm (#311 of 519)
Shannon is the one I'm amazed he kept - she has yet to put together a coherent sentence in front of him. If you watched to the very very end, though, she was doing funny impressions of her housemates so I know she does have some kind of personality, however hidden in Jason's presence.
I think he kept Megan because he didn't want to send the message that all you have to do to get rid of people is say mean things about them secretly. Lauren is nasty.
The whole bit with Nikki was hilarious - she'll go next week, I think. Seriously, she's spent her whole time (in past weeks) talking about how mature she is and how unready all the other girls are, and she can't come up with 10 minutes of chit chat after her control-freak breakdown? You know, if you get 10 minutes of alone time a day with the guy and you still can't come up with enough conversation to fill the time, maybe this isn't the guy for you.
- Jan 20, 2009 4:05 pm (#312 of 519)
if you get 10 minutes of alone time a day with the guy and you still can't come up with enough conversation to fill the time, maybe this isn't the guy for you.
No kidding! That was so awkward. As was, "I like bears." I was hoping when Jason ask bear girl about particular bears...panda bears, koala bears, she had responded with. "Actually, koalas aren't bears, and there is some controversy about what family the panda belongs in, however..." But no, she said she liked all bears, and she apparently meant teddy bears.
I'd have trouble coming up with ten minutes for Jason, too. Has he ever said anything meaningful? Something about his gaze just creeps me out.
kathlyn - Jan 20, 2009 4:29 pm (#313 of 519)
Well, there's golf. And Ty. And the deep and meaningful relationship you are creating on national TV. Who needs more conversation?
Actually, I'm hoping that the producers just edit out all interesting conversation, since otherwise I have to assume that this is the biggest bunch of dullards I've ever seen.
LOL
You guys are funny!
I'd have trouble coming up with ten minutes for Jason, too. Has he ever said anything meaningful? Something about his gaze just creeps me out.
Yes!
If you watched to the very very end, though, she (Shannon) was doing funny impressions of her housemates so I know she does have some kind of personality, however hidden in Jason's presence.
I know! Where did that girl come from? Why's she been hiding her light?
Speaking of which, there was one girl eliminated last night, Kari, who I had no idea was even on the show.
Eh - they all look the same to me. Really, I could see going on one of these shows, but seriously considering marrying someone you can't really enjoy talking to is high redonkulousness.
Yep. It becomes an ego thing, and they just want to win.
Us girls have that built-in competiveness thing with other women. Might have helped us survive in the Serengeti, but now it's just a pain.
- Jan 27, 2009 3:12 am (#317 of 519)
I can't believe I just watched that. What happened to Deanna coming back. Did I miss it, or has it yet to happen?
No Deanna as yet.
Megan was starting to grow on me. She was good in the soap. I could see her as an actual soap star/villain.
Poor Shannon got royally dissed when she tried to kiss him. That was cold. Although, she seemed kinda nuts to me from the very beginning and I didn't understand why he kept her this long.
Not giving out the final rose? I didn't know he had that option. I'm guessing he asked the producers beforehand?
Jason seems to have a charisma deficit. There isn't anything he says that is interesting. Maybe he should end up with Deanna!
- Jan 27, 2009 6:39 pm (#319 of 519)
Jason seems to have a charisma deficit.
Exactly. He just seems like a blank slate.
I'm surprised he didn't give out the final rose, but even more surprised that the woman who was "pushing him around," really thought she was relating to him. These women are so delusional. Megan and Shannon both seemed nuts to me. Shannon snotting all over him about wanting to be Ty's mom was just unbelievable. If he ends up with any of the remaining five, I think it will be the one he had the overnight date with. He seems to like her energy and she seems somewhat sane.
Molly. Yeah, what is she doing there? She's so normal.
I was thinking about how they edit this show, and I have to cut Jason a tiny bit of slack. They mainly show him reacting to the women and that's probably all they want to show. If we could see more of the actual conversations they have, the back and forth, then we might guess too early who he really likes.
Chris Harrison (the host of the show) has a blog about each episode.
Here's his take on ep. 4
http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2009/01/chris-harriso-3.html?iid=top25-Chris+Harrison+blogs+%27The+Bachelor%27%3A+episode+4
Next week we are off to Jason's hometown of Seattle. In fact, we spend the next two weeks in Seattle. Trust me when I tell you this is just getting started.
Awww...that was a sad ending.
Jason is impressing me more, now. There's more to him than they showed us in the early weeks.
- Feb 3, 2009 9:51 pm (#323 of 519)
What happened?
Should I say?
It's nothing out of the ordinary for the show. It's just that he had to let Stephanie go, because he wanted to feel something for her beyond friendship and it just wasn't there.
But he was so tender and complimentary about what an amazing person she is and how he'd love to have her as a friend for life.
You really have to see it. It was touching. Everyone was crying, all the other girls. He made it a point to say all those good things in front of the other girls, instead of just mumbling it as he walked her out.
A genuine human moment. What'll they think of next?!
Now, any guesses who'll be next to go?
We really have to see them with the girls' families, but I'm thinking that Jillian is not long for the show.
Then there's Molly. I didn't realize she is so young, but Jason made a point of it, wondering if she's really ready for the whole stay-at-home, family thing.
I'd bet money that Melissa will be in the final two. And it depends how it goes with Naomi's family whether she'll be there with her.
Jason has some doubts about Naomi's readiness, as well. So she and Molly are a toss-up.
(Molly's eyes are amazing, by the way! And she's such a real person, so relaxed and confident, that he will have difficulty letting her go, even if it's not exactly a perfect fit.)
- Feb 4, 2009 5:44 am (#326 of 519)
When is what's-her-numbnutz coming back?
I do not know. I haven't seen it in the previews since the season opener.
Am I the only person who watches this dumb show?
kathlyn - Feb 7, 2009 2:56 am (#329 of 519)
I've been watching it, though I'd say that in general it's so boring that I end up actually paying attention to about 20 percent of any given show.
I predict the cute Dallas Cowboy cheerleader wins. Or maybe Molly. Jillian's my fave, so I'm hoping she loses.
I also predict that whoever 'wins' will die of boredom after being forced to spend more than 2 hours straight with Jason the Tedious Blockhead with Great Abs.
David Doorley
- Feb 7, 2009 4:24 pm (#330 of 519)
Am I the only person who watches this dumb show?
yes
Har!
- Feb 9, 2009 10:56 pm (#332 of 519)
I'm still watching. Sigh. It looks likes the show will be on following the President's address in the Central Time Zone. I can't wait to see the crazy mom. I can't believe I'm old enough to BE the crazy mom, yet I'm still watching.
Well, we've come this far, filmy.
Might as well stick it out. :-)
Just saw an ad for tonight's show. One of the girls says her parents are not comfortable meeting Jason.
That's a first, no?
Unless it turns out that she talks them into it, or something.
David Doorley
- Feb 10, 2009 3:12 pm (#335 of 519)
Every so often I peek in here just to see who the kids in the corner of this room are while the rest of us are living our lives to the fullest in another part of the building.
<just little more Champagne but no more chocolates please>
It's just that these women are all in their early 20s and are willing to marry some guy they just met. And the guys always pick the woman they think will be the most fun. Because when that smiley girl turns 40, she's still going to be up for golf and wind surfing and quiet walks on the beach.
- Feb 10, 2009 6:12 pm (#337 of 519)
And the guys always pick the woman they think will be the most fun.
It seems like lately (if not always), they pick the woman they are sure is famewhoring, so that they can dump them later with no guilt. However, that would account for about 99.3% of them, so it's getting more and more difficult.
RE last night's show: I thought thing with Melissa's parents was a little odd. It's not odd that they wouldn't want to participate in the show. It's odd that she wouldn't have already known. I'm wondering if it is Melissa who doesn't want HIM to meet THEM, because surely they would have just met with him privately. But then, they never went to a ballgame or met her friends either- except when they had that pool party (which rules out that they are Mennonites).
When is Deanna supposed to show up? In New Zealand?
- Feb 10, 2009 10:16 pm (#338 of 519)
Yeah, talk about stalkerish! Trails him halfway around the world and interrupts the process just as he's about to bone three women on overnight dates!
Interesting home-town dates this time.
I knew right when Jason was talking to Naomi's dad, and then her mom, that he would be letting Naomi go. He can say it's for other reasons, but come on. Who wants a father-in-law who's always trying to promote his religious beliefs, and a mother-in-law who is equally as intense about her non-traditional beliefs? (Gee, wonder why those two got divorced?)
I got the feeling when Melissa was talking about her parents that they might be well-known, at least in their community, and that's why they wanted to avoid the lime-light. But like you said, filmy, they could have at least met him off camera. (If that's allowed?)
It's not surprising that Melissa has insecurities if her parents have never taken much interest in her life, her friends, etc.
Ann - what you said about the girls being young is true. I think gals in that age group are more likely to want that "swept away" experience and to subconsciously think their lives won't really begin until they are engaged/married.
And that, conversely, they don't know what to do if that falls through. As Naomi said, she doesn't know where she "goes from here". Proving, I guess, that he was right in feeling she's not ready. She has a lot of learning and growing to do, and healing from a childhood spent torn between two homes.
- Feb 11, 2009 12:29 am (#341 of 519)
You could totally see his eyes glazing when Naomi's dad was haranguing him, and then the mother, too! He got the full spectrum of religious nutbar, and I knew Naomi was done for.
- Feb 11, 2009 12:38 am (#342 of 519)
I read that Jason is Jewish, although that has never come up on the show that I have noticed. One wonders why Hector would go on and on with that.
Molly keeps saying, "I'm ready to fall in love," like it works that way. Well, I'm ready to be rich.
Molly B.
- Feb 13, 2009 4:01 pm (#344 of 519)
I've been reading some of the interviews with the women who have left the show as they come up on RealityTVWorld.com. It's interesting (and a little impressive to me) how many of the women have been able to say, "You know, I was caught up in the moment, but looking back, no, we didn't have chemistry." Even crazy-stalker-Shannon said flat out that she was saying things then because she was caught up in the moment. (And she's now back with hometown ex.) Ditto with Naomi, Stephanie, and a couple of the others.
It all comes down to winning in America - no matter what the prize is (or isn't)
David Doorley
- Feb 17, 2009 2:53 pm (#346 of 519)
Did Deanna show up yet? And how many brides-to-be are still in the running? Just read that this season has brought the Bachelor back up in the ratings again, and they credit that largely to the guy having a 3-year old.
Deanna has not shown up (that I know about - I always miss at least the first 15 min of the show). He's down to two - one's 24 and the other's 25. The woman he dumped last night was the person he most connected with, so he took that as a sign that he should send her home. She's not fun and sexy enough! I say, marry one of the 20-year-olds and see how fun and sexy she is in 10 years (but he won't know, because she'll be long gone).
- Feb 17, 2009 7:04 pm (#348 of 519)
I was laughing at how as soon as one of the women said "I love you," Jason moved in for a kiss. He has to know that they don't mean it, but his ego won't let him believe they are just saying what he wants to hear. Melissa's proclamations were particularly awkward and forced, but I bet she is who he ends up with. He said she reminded him of both his ex-wife and Deanna.
It looks like Deanna finally shows up next week, but they are still in New Zealand? The early previews made it look like she came when there were still tons of women there, so I don't get it. She says he can still choose her, or something to that effect. Then Chris tells us, the final moments are soooo dramatic and intimate, that they had to close the set or something.
Yes, Deanna shows up in New Zealand and she says that he hasn't proposed yet so...
Then they show Jason crying.
And Chris says what filmy said, that it was so emotionally hard they had to keep the filming on an intimate level.
Not sure what that means, but I'll be watching!
Jason moved in for a kiss.
This is his response to just about everything, now!
Next week is the reunion show, by the way, which should be good with all those nutjobs!
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that he dumped Jillian, but it really does make it difficult for me to believe that there are any men anywhere who chose their mates sensibly. I mean, I'm 46, so this isn't a shock - but still, getting rid of her because she's not a nutjob and he gets along with her family. Of course, she's completely better off - because she would have married him and he would have divorce #2 on his hands.
kathlyn - Feb 18, 2009 12:03 am (#352 of 519)
After she got home Jillian was probably thanking her lucky stars for getting dumped by such a drip as Jason. She deserves way better than him. Jillian was my favorite, and therefore I am pleased that she is no longer in the running.
Entertainment Weekly has a funny recap of last night's episode, and when you get to the comments, you will find the vast majority felt as you did, Ann and Kathlyn.
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20259437,00.html
kathlyn - Feb 18, 2009 4:28 am (#354 of 519)
I went out to lunch with my boss today (he's an addict of The Bachelor, The Hills, and an array of similarly awful TV shows. Naturally, we get along great) and he was LIVID at Jason for dumping Jillian. Seriously, he couldn't even get into the car before he was railing about Jason getting rid of the only mature, interesting, funny contestant they had. I'm a little worried for Jason - my boss lives in Kirkland, and I don't want to think about what he might say to him if they meet on the street. Jason's definitely on the ass-kicking list.
My boss's wife has been doing some Bachelor-related internet research, and apparently some of the rejected girls have commented online about how their dates were really boring because Jason doesn't talk. I had thought they might just be editing out all the interesting parts of every conversation, but maybe there just aren't any interesting parts at all.
Jason doesn't talk
Oh, my. I thought it was just the editing, too.
Jillian is well rid of him.
- Feb 18, 2009 4:51 pm (#356 of 519)
WOW, wow, wow!
If this is true then the Bachelor is a real ass imo. Huge spoiler...
http://realitysteve.com/
kathlyn - Feb 18, 2009 5:20 pm (#357 of 519)
Wow. I wonder if that's true - if so, Jason and the producers are complete bastards.
- Feb 18, 2009 6:39 pm (#358 of 519)
Gillian dodged a bullet, big time.
Makes Melissa's parents seem like genuises.
I love his dog! Maddy?
You know what? This totally makes sense. Why else would they show previews where people could tell it was Melissa he proposed to in New Zealand?
It's so stupid of them, because this season has gotten them big numbers and did not need a surprise twist ending. They end up with egg on their face and may lose a large part of future audiences.
And! Molly got to go on that overnight date at Jason's mansion, where they camped in the backyard in a tent? (First "walk of shame" ever?) They may have promised Jason that he could have time alone with her, midway through or something.
But that begs the question. Did Molly know about these shenanigans?
Also! No wonder Jason didn't talk much! He wasn't interested in any other girl but Molly, and he was afraid he might blurt out the wrong thing!
Okay, I'm done now. LOL.
- Feb 19, 2009 3:46 am (#363 of 519)
I think is something that is common in a lot of the Bachelor seasons. Remember Deanna and the guy who dumped her? Remember just how incredulous she was? I don't think it was just her huge ego. I think that the producers DO lead one or more of the contestants down a garden path precisely so they can pull the rug out from under them, and I think the bachelor(ette) is in on it the whole time.
Good point.
But if this is true, that he actually proposed to Melissa while knowing he was in love with/more interested in Molly, that takes it to a whole 'nother level.
The very reason I got sucked in this time was because Jason seemed like a nice guy who was badly hurt by Deanna!
Damn show. It's become a self-perpetuating industry!
- Feb 19, 2009 6:29 am (#365 of 519)
I think it's naive to believe that these so-called "reality" shows aren't *very* scripted, and where they aren't, things are re-filmed, re-done all the time.
Would they have the nerve to make Melissa the next Bachelorette?
I'm not falling for it!!
- Feb 19, 2009 7:32 am (#367 of 519)
Why wouldn't they? They've done it EVERY TIME. The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour, no? That's how Deanna became the Bachelorette. That's how Jason then became the Bachelor. That's how Melissa will become the next Bachelorette.
I get it.
Just don't know if they could get away with it again, especially now. There is a limit to audience stupidity. I'm sure there is.
LOL.
- Feb 19, 2009 7:37 am (#369 of 519)
There is a limit to audience stupidity.
How do you explain Flavor of Love then??? LOL.
LOL!!
The Bachelor reunion is on tonight, but I don't know if I can even watch it, knowing that he is so empty-headed and/or so contractually-bound from having a "real" moment.
If you haven't kept up with the guy who broke the story about Jason planning to propose to Melissa and then dump her for Molly, his website is here: http://realitysteve.com/blog/
I'm just anxious to see it next Monday, when the "evil plot" ensues.
- Feb 24, 2009 5:35 am (#372 of 519)
Yeah, I didn't even bother. What a load of crap. But I will watch the finale to see if I can glean clues from facial expressions. But then I'm done with this show.
kathlyn - Feb 24, 2009 5:46 am (#373 of 519)
The Bachelor could be greatly improved if they A. picked someone with a discernable personality, and B. reduced the show to one hour a week.
Jillian is so, so cute.
Chris asked if she would consider being the next Bachelorette, and the audience went wild.
She did not rule it out. But frankly, I hope she doesn't, for her sake.
- Feb 24, 2009 6:36 pm (#375 of 519)
I just don't see any chemistry between Molly and Jason. At least not on Molly's part. She seems to be in it strictly for the win (or to be the next Bachelorette). When Jillian talked about him kissing another girl and saying he hadn't had a kiss like that in a long time, was she talking about Molly?
I loved the segment last night where they talked about all of the former contestants that have hooked up with people from other seasons. Like a weird fraternity.
Yes, Ann! That was strange!
What's his name that Deanna chose and then broke-up with was partying with them and hooking up and did not seem sad at all.
Har!
Wait...if I'm not careful, I'm going to end up feeling sorry for her again.
Deanna chose a guy that was the polar opposite to her - it didn't have a chance. Of course, the guy who was best suited to her wouldn't open up emotionally (the Bachelorette equivalent of not being sexy enough) so she dumped him.
- Mar 3, 2009 12:15 am (#379 of 519)
Tonight's the big night! Blink, blink.
kathlyn - Mar 3, 2009 12:54 am (#380 of 519)
My boss approached me today chatting about Molly and Melissa, and I drew a complete blank as to what he might be talking about. I stopped watching about 3 weeks ago when it just got too deadly dull - how many times can I see a vapid woman talk about a nonexistent relationship with a vapid man?
Anyway, I'll probably check the spoilers and see if the MOST SHOCKING ROSE CEREMONY EVER is worth my time. I somehow doubt it.
Three whole hours tonight!
Ugh.
But I have to watch!
- Mar 3, 2009 3:14 am (#382 of 519)
And it's back again tomorrow!!
He's so lame!
It is?!
I thought they smushed everything together for tonight.
checking DVR...
It says that tomorrow night Jason and the final two reminisce.
So is that when he announces he wants to see Holly? Or tonight?
Read Reality Steve's blog earlier today and he said everything happens tonight. Hm.
- Mar 3, 2009 3:23 am (#384 of 519)
Molly, that is tonight, happening right now on the East Coast. It's lame though, looks like bad acting.
- Mar 3, 2009 3:23 am (#385 of 519)
I think tomorrow is when he and Molly come back and talk about where they are at now.
Ooo. Okay.
I'm staying out of this thread until later.
Might as well try to get a little bit of novelty, if I'm goilng to put myself through it.
sigh
Jason has been saying the same five or six sentences for two hours now! It should be a drinking game!
"I am absolutely falling in love with two women."
"This decision affects not only me, but also Ty."
"I can absolutely see myself having a life with either woman."
"When Molly looks at me with those eyes..."
"This is the hardest decision I’ve ever had to make."
He's said all of those at least three times each! ARGH.
The proposal seemed totally sincere. But then why all the anguish over Molly?
I've got to get to bed, so will watch the last hour tomorrow.
ttfn
Went ahead and watched the After the Rose.
There was not a single moment of that that felt real.
- Mar 3, 2009 5:22 pm (#390 of 519)
S'Natch: Don't forgot:
"I can't get enough of her."
Obviously not, Jason! You should have listened to your inner Douche.
Seriously - now I wonder about the first wife, probably got while the getting was good
I still don't know exactly what to think.
In looking at it from the producers' perspective, this is not the happy ending they would like. I mean, would they go to all that trouble to purposely set up a "shocking twist ending"? When it makes Jason look like such a tool?
On the other hand, it did seem that Melissa knew what was coming, and Molly's reactions were so bland. It totally felt scripted.
I don't think I can give the show another go, even if Jillian is the Bachelorette. The premise is flawed from the start. You cannot truly "find your soulmate" and know it's going to last, so quickly, in this artificial environment. And someone always gets horribly hurt.
I think I'm finished. With the show. Not with ragging on it!
You should have listened to your inner Douche.
LOL.
He didn't give a satisfactory reason why he chose Melissa over Molly in the first place. Did he?
What was so changed about the "chemistry"?
Molly B.
- Mar 3, 2009 8:25 pm (#394 of 519)
This just all depressed me so much.
What a tool, to make this announcement like that and not, as Melissa said, fight for their relationship and try to work through it.
I think that Melissa probably knew they were having problems, and might have had an inkling what was coming, but even if she entirely knew they were breaking up, her questions were utterly valid.
I give Molly the benefit of the doubt -- her reactions were probably bland because she didn't really know what was going on or whether to believe it. Who would have thought that in six weeks he'd totally have dumped the woman he chose? Plus, I'm sure she was aware that "oh, goodie, you're dumping her!" isn't the image she wants to put on TV.
Absolutely NO MENTION of Ty in the ATR segment. What had he been told about Melissa's upcoming involvement in his life?
And over all ... I don't know. I'm sort of dating a guy with kids, and I haven't even met the kids yet. To make judgments of whether someone can be your wife and be part of your family based on one afternoon's interaction with your kid ... ugh.
"Seriously - now I wonder about the first wife, probably got while the getting was good "
Either that, or he chose a high drama woman in the first place. The man's a relationship/romance/drama junkie.
Let's see ... he proposed to Melissa just before Thanksgiving, and they broke up six weeks later. Early January. I give Molly until early April (after this round of publicity) for him to realize that "the chemistry is different." I give Jason until the 12th of Never to figure out that the chemistry is always going to be different when you're living your damn life for yourself and not having producers script fantasy dates for you.
To make judgments of whether someone can be your wife and be part of your family based on one afternoon's interaction with your kid ... ugh.
Totally. I felt sorry for Ty meeting Melissa and liking her, then meeting Molly the very next day. Kids are not pets!
I note that last night's show got very high ratings. This sucks, because they are going to think they need a scandal and a twist from now on. (They really owe their ratings to Reality Steve, anyway.)
In the long run, people may be permantly turned-off and not buy into the next installment. I hope!
I give Jason until the 12th of Never to figure out that the chemistry is always going to be different when you're living your damn life for yourself and not having producers script fantasy dates for you.
Right on! How can Molly even trust him now? He seems to change his mind for no good reason.
- Mar 3, 2009 9:13 pm (#396 of 519)
It was obvious to me from the second Molly started telling the host how "she never changed her feelings from that day in NZ until today ..." and then said that about 14x ... that this was totally scripted. I mean, she was THERE in the studio ffs, then she comes out and 'reads' her lines perfectly about still loving him? Please.
Agreed, Beaker.
Chris Harrison is not a very good actor, either.
Why would he even ask her "What if his feelings (for Melissa) have changed?" If she truly didn't know, he'd be ruining the surprise.
Stupid.
- Mar 3, 2009 10:07 pm (#398 of 519)
ATFR was a really poorly produced show, and I don't think it accomplished what they expected. I read somewhere that the reason they kept it "intimate" was not out of consideration for the participants, but rather, because and audience would have booed Jason off the stage.
If I had been Molly, no amount of love for Jason would have made me take him back that readily, unless I'd had an inkling of it. I would be so pissed for having to grieve for 6 weeks and mad at what he put Melissa through, that I wouldn't be able just "give it another shot." That makes me think she and Jason had been communicating after that "worst week of her life" and that Melissa knew that, too.
While I don't condone how Jason handled it by any means, I don't agree that he should have fought for his relationship with Melissa. I don't think there was really much of anything to fight for. I don't think Melissa ever really fell in love with him. Her proclamations seemed forced.
In my opinion what happened was this: Jason thought Melissa was beautiful, sweet, warm... she was not career oriented, would make a good mom, and would bake pies and heap love on him for the rest of his life. In other words, the perfect wife. Lots of men end up marry someone because the woman sfit easily into their lives and is "good on paper." When they realize that they are unhappy because the chemistry isn't there, they often stray. As long as they have someone outside the marriage who fulfills their sexual needs (even if it's just online sex), they can exist in the marriage and often do not want to leave the comfort of that relationship, because there is "love" there.
I think the reason he thought he could love Melissa was because he already had that someone to cheat with. Molly was there throughout the process, so he didn't notice that Melissa wouldn't make him happy on her own. As soon as Molly was out of the picture, he was miserable with Melissa.
Molly was the opposite of Melissa. They had great chemistry but she didn't look good on paper. She liked her career, and was sexy but somewhat emotionally distant and didn't pretend to want to be a first grade teacher. He was scared of choosing someone based on sexual chemistry, even though it was obvious there was more to their relationship than sex. His family seemed to see it, too.
Anyway, after I saw Jason's family, I had some hope for him. His dad seemed really sweet, but Jason is just a tool.
Le Nubian
- Mar 3, 2009 10:09 pm (#399 of 519)
I saw the ep - I haven't seen this show much at all before and I watched the ep on abc.com.
What crazy shit that was. I watched the body language of all the people and it was pretty clear that Melissa knew something was up. I think he told her it was over a bit before the live show so she wasn't totally surprised that he was breaking it off. Maybe a producer took pity on her and said - "hey this isn't going to end well, fyi and good luck!"
Jason has a bit of sociopath in him, how he can turn on the crying, turn it off and go to smiling and laughing. That creeps me right the fuck out. I have not seen any of the previous eps this season, so maybe someone who has seen this wouldn't be so icked, but I was definitely turned off.
Molly is a trip. There is no way in hell I would have kissed him on camera after those sets of revelations. But I think they've been in a relationship for a couple of weeks prior to the taping, so I guess under those conditions, she felt pretty free with him. She was touching his leg and sitting close to him by the end which was gross to me.
Great analysis, filmy.
Jason has a bit of sociopath in him, how he can turn on the crying, turn it off and go to smiling and laughing.
For the first time, last night, I saw Jason as a much better actor than I would have expected.
Whether the story, as presented, is completely true or not, he's still a creep.
Although, I will cut him a little bit of slack when it comes to the advice Deanna gave him, which was "don't go for the wild card." I can see how that might have fed into his decision to pick Melissa.
Loved how they edited that segment, btw. They made it look like Deanna was asking him for a second chance, but I don't think that was it at all. She was just telling him, don't make the same mistake that I did.
The two of them seem perfect for each other, though. Maybe when the "chemistry changes" with Molly, he can call up Deanna.
- Mar 4, 2009 1:44 am (#401 of 519)
Great analysis, filmy.
Thanks, but I just read back over it and realize I shouldn't have written in such a rush! Sheesh, I need an editor.
I just read over on TWOP that Melissa may have been paid by ABC to get dumped publicly. If so, it was a missed opportunity, because it wasn't that dramatic-- just confusing.
Here's how I would have produced it: Open on shots of the happy couple (Melissa and Jason) frolicking with Ty. Review their fairy-tale romance. Bring out Jason and ask him how he's doing. (Great, he's never been happier)! Has he seen Melissa? (Yes they spent the holidays together, but mostly talked on the phone and "texted.") Ask Jason if he's still engaged. (Yes, she's the most AMAZING woman in the world!) Chris says, "Okay, well it's time to bring out your fiance'." Dun, dun, dun. Out walks Molly with big sheepish grin. Record skids. Jason and Molly share some tongue, while Chris pretends to be stunned. Cut to break.
- Mar 4, 2009 3:04 am (#402 of 519)
Another ATFR is on right now! Geesh!
Also, I forgot to add that I noticed for the first time last night, that Jason has a weird sort of comb-over, or comb-down that is hiding a big bald spot.
That is all.
According to Chris Harrison:
"Melissa obviously knew [about the breakup]," Harrison clarifies. "She was not blindsided. She didn't think everything was great and show up that day to talk about the wedding date and then realize she was going to be dumped. She was pissed and angry, but she wasn't blindsided. Not that it makes it any better for anybody, and I totally understand why people are still mad, but she wasn't the complete unsuspecting little lamb that you might think."
Le Nubian
- Mar 4, 2009 3:12 am (#404 of 519)
I don't believe one damn thing he says.
- Mar 4, 2009 3:19 am (#405 of 519)
I dunno, it seemed obvious to me that she wasn't blindsided. Before she came out, the host asked Jason if she knew anything, and he essentially said so, that they'd been talking, so she knew that he wasn't totally happy. It was clear from her reaction that it wasn't even close to a blindside.
- Mar 4, 2009 3:22 am (#406 of 519)
I agree, it seemed very acted out. I'm sure if she was really upset about being dumped on air she would have been way more pissed or been crying.
So stupid right now watching, they must have really screened the audience members because they are all so happy for him, whatever. Only one was actually mad.
Le Nubian
- Mar 4, 2009 3:30 am (#407 of 519)
Yes, I would agree that she seemed to have a clue that something wasn't right before she arrived, but the host was on the EW blog a few weeks back saying that the spoilers weren't true, etc. and so forth. Of course all the spoilers were true, exactly true. So I really don't believe anything he says.
I said before that when she sat down, she didn't touch him, sat like 2 feet away, she was not in a good mood.
If I got dumped on air and it was the first I heard of it, you bet I would have left the stage. Ripped off my mike and been done.
- Mar 4, 2009 3:34 am (#408 of 519)
Is it true she gave the ring back?
kathlyn - Mar 4, 2009 3:37 am (#409 of 519)
If she did, she's an idiot. ABC can afford to buy her a damned ring, for crying out loud. It's not like it was Jason's Grandma's ring or something.
- Mar 4, 2009 3:41 am (#410 of 519)
She did give the ring back on air last night. I agree she should have kept it. Probably something in the contract though that if they don't marry ABC gets it back. Maybe he can give it to Molly next.
Really, men like Jason are the reason I've stayed single.
- Mar 4, 2009 3:18 pm (#412 of 519)
What gets me most about the whole thing, is just how bad the interviews are. Jason said the same scripted stuff over and over. "I am just being honest." "I had to follow my heart." "When I proposed to Melissa, it was real."
What I want to know is, what EXACTLY happened that caused him to cry and have regrets about letting Molly go? It had to be more than just her crying and telling him he was making a big mistake. I would hope! And if he started having regrets right away, then why was he crying one minute and celebrating by jumping in the pool fully clothed with his new family, the next?
Man, it would have been much more dramatic and enjoyable if the lightbulb had gone off before Jason proposed to Melissa. We would have thought he was going to propose, and then he would have said, ala Brad, "I'm sorry, but I just can't do it." Melissa would have been hurt, but she wouldn't have known that he had also let Molly go. Then they could have called Molly back in, and he could have said, "You were right. I made a big mistake. It's you I want." And then Molly could have gotten down on one knee and given him the BJ she promised him before she left in the limo. Okay, gross, j/k.
Le Nubian
- Mar 4, 2009 3:27 pm (#413 of 519)
(laughing)
damn.
You are right, filmy.
His actions do not add up.
He wasn't forced to propose to one of them! Unless that's something new in the contract?
From the TWOP recap. Made me laugh.
So who's going to be the new Bachelorette? Who are we going to like at first and then slowly come to despise by the end of the season? Yep. Jillian. Goddammit. I like Jillian. I like her now. So do you, America. But next season you're going to watch her in episode after episode blather about how she knows what it feels like to be on the other side, only she never knew how difficult it would be to do the choosing, and how hard it is to let people go, and we're supposed to feel sympathy for people who choose to go on reality shows about love and then figure out it sucks.
Closing thoughts:
So that's it, America. Let's all make a pact. We like Jillian now. We hate this show. Let's continue to like Jillian, ignore the show and let it get canceled, all right?
Oh, who are you kidding. You'll be back. You're always back. At least I get paid for this.
Emails between Jason and Melissa. If anyone is even vaguely interested. ;-)
http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/gallery/jason-mesnick-melissa-rycroft-email-part-i/
- Mar 6, 2009 2:32 am (#418 of 519)
If those emails posted in that link are legit, then this whole affair is completely made up and a lie and Molly and Jason were totally in contact the whole time. Those emails are dated back in January. Come on people! The whole thing is a joke, and he's a scum not to stand up to producers and simply say, no, I'm not doing that. Obviously, they have binding contracts and may be sued, but still. No balls, man.
Reality Steve confirmed that these are the emails he received weeks ago. He didn't want to release them because he wanted to spare Melissa further humiliation.
kathlyn - Mar 6, 2009 4:10 am (#420 of 519)
Ha - great email! I can translate this bit for you:
"Anyway, I'm not mad . . . I'm not hurt - seeing how things were handled helped me get over things very quickly"
Translation: "I'm royally pissed that a tedious fuckwit like you strung me along and I actually bought it for a while, but thank god you showed your miserable cowardly colors before I got in too deep."
- Mar 8, 2009 7:59 pm (#421 of 519)
"The Bachelor" star Melissa Rycroft will join "Dancing With the Stars" for the ABC show's Monday premiere.
And we doubted her commitment to reality tv.
Oh, no.
Money and fame trump everything else.
It's a coup for DWTS.
Have you guys seen this?
Jason and Molly pimp for New Zealand.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBw7Amz-TVA
Looks like this was made before they left New Zealand, when he was supposedly still engaged to Melissa! Or maybe they filmed it back in the U.S. Can't tell.
But still! I can't even stand the sound of their voices now.
- Mar 10, 2009 11:40 pm (#424 of 519)
I think it was made afterward, and they just used shots from when they were there, but still! He admits he "fell in love with" Molly there, but he proposed to Melissa anyway? Either he is a giant tool, or it was all rigged like someone suggested. Or both.
Poor Molly, she got the giant booby prize. Melissa is on Dancing With the Stars, Jillian is the next Bachelorette, and she got the tool and America's scorn.
Poor Molly, she got the giant booby prize.
No kidding!
If she had refused his overture on television and said she'd never be able to trust him, or something like that, she'd be a hero now!
When they inevitably break up, what is she going to be left with?
She's not a very good actress, we've seen that already. Pretending like she hadn't heard from Jason since New Zealand. Such a liar. (That's my belief, anyway.)
And if by some small chance they get and stay married for life, she's still stuck with him!
- Mar 11, 2009 1:15 am (#426 of 519)
Jason admitted on Ellen last week that he and Molly spoke once after the proposal to Melissa (between then and breaking up with her).
Once!?
"I only had one beer, occifer."
- Mar 11, 2009 6:06 am (#428 of 519)
The thing I didn't realize until just the last day or two because I don't think it was clear on tv, is that the After The Rose show, the one where Jason dumped Melissa ... wasn't live. I thought it was. I thought that was live, as in, live after the finale pre-recorded episode (the one with the proposal). I didn't know that was filmed back ~6 weeks ago. That explains why Jason and Molly appear to have been together the last few weeks, and didn't just get together March 2 (the night of the After the Rose show). I was wondering how it was that they got back together March 2, and by March 4-5 were on the cover of People Magazine.
What was the tagline on the People cover? How are they spinning it? Just wondering.
I found it online. Says "The Bachelor Betrayal".
Le Nubian
- Mar 11, 2009 12:58 pm (#430 of 519)
I just think it is hilarious that Molly has said she doesn't plan to move to Seattle in the near future. Interesting.
How long do you give this relationship? We should lay down bets.
I say July 4th.
- Mar 11, 2009 3:25 pm (#431 of 519)
That doctor from Nashville, Travis Stork, was with his chosen lady for maybe two weeks once the final episode aired.
- Mar 11, 2009 5:03 pm (#432 of 519)
In the People mag article, she makes it clear that she *is* moving to Seattle, and the ball is rolling. However, she wants to have her own place and slowly ease into life together. She said, and I quote, it's not a matter of IF but WHEN. She's working out the deets, and it's happening, according to both of them. She said they are both proceeding cautiously but committedly. They are not questioning their decision, but they want to have a normal dating life.
Le Nubian
- Mar 12, 2009 12:04 am (#433 of 519)
that's new info. I still wonder if that will remain the case!
The premise is flawed from the start. It would make more sense to pull all the girls from the Bachelor's hometown or county or at least state.
They wouldn't get as many entrants, but it might have a chance to launch a real relationship.
She's leaving her family and friends based on knowing him only superficially. I glad she's smart enough to get her own place, but it's a huge risk. (Especially since he's shown he doesn't know his own mind.)
Monkeygrrl - Mar 12, 2009 9:58 pm (#435 of 519)
Well, I've moved halfway across the country for a job when I didn't know anyone, so I suppose it's similar. Except less creepy.
For those like me who don't watch Dancing with the Stars, here's Melissa doing the waltz (and Jason being booed!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KhKiVLmLbE
Le Nubian
- Mar 19, 2009 2:26 am (#437 of 519)
that was the worst rendition of "Moon River" I have ever heard. I had to cut that off after about 30 seconds.
Yeah, that house band sucks. One of the things that bugs me about the show.
The Bachelorette with Jillian starts Monday.
I'm not really sure if I'm going to watch or not. I'm leaning towards not.
I've already seen an interview with her where she says "I didn't think it was possible to fall in love with more than one person at a time" blah blah blah.
Monkeygrrl - May 19, 2009 5:34 pm (#440 of 519)
I watched all two hours (which I never do). The guys are all so hot! I never see guys like that, much less date them! I mean, how are they single, unless they're total jerks and/or married to their jobs?
Or hoping to make it in show business.
You watch it for us, Monkeygrrl, and let us know if anything interesting happens. :-)
Monkeygrrl - May 20, 2009 6:18 pm (#442 of 519)
Maybe I'll do running commentary.
Go for it!
Monkeygrrl - May 26, 2009 8:35 pm (#444 of 519)
Ack! I forgot it was on last night and missed the first hour while planting my tomatoes. I think Wes is a tool. It's also funny how the guys fight against men that aren't their buddies. In my experience, men who only want to hang out with their bros are not the best boyfriends.
Shame on you! ;-)
And you did not tell us after last week's show that one of the guys is a foot fetishist! I had to find out from Joel McHale!
In my experience, men who only want to hang out with their bros are not the best boyfriends.
Too true.
Are there any outstanding candidates at this point? Who seem to be there for the "right" reasons? If there is a "right" reason for going on a reality show. LOL.
Monkeygrrl - May 27, 2009 6:09 pm (#446 of 519)
Jillian seems to like Wes, who is a country singer, but I really think he's in it just to promote his career. David is that guy who is buddies with all of the other guys but would freak out if he was still in it at the end (which I doubt he would be). The guys hate Juan, but he's a contractor and she's an interior designer, so that actually (for once) makes sense. She's down to 16 - so it might be easier next week to see who she's connecting with. She's already kissed a bunch of them.
Monkeygrrl - Jun 2, 2009 3:21 pm (#447 of 519)
I missed most of the first hour because I was at the gym, but I think Brad nailed it on the head in his goodbye interview when he said that Jillian wasn't going to be happy with either Juan or David. She sees that Juan is calculating, and at some point she will find out that David is weirdly obsessive. I've never seen a contestant freak out the other guys so much, I think they're afraid of him (and they probably should be, whoever did the psychological testing on him really slipped up).
kathlyn - Jun 2, 2009 5:32 pm (#448 of 519)
I didn't pay much attention to the show last night since I was cleaning the house at the same time - please tell me she got rid of the foot fetishist.
Monkeygrrl - Jun 2, 2009 7:13 pm (#449 of 519)
Oh no - she's oddly fascinated by him. And he was even more creepy last night. Really, this season has been all about the creepy so far.
So on The Soup this week, they showed clips from The Bachelorette, where Jillian went to the "Fantasy Suite" with one of the guys, and he couldn't perform!
And she's acting like this was just another step in getting to know these guys, that sleeping with them was a normal part of the process, and how disappointed she was that she wouldn't be able to judge the potential of her relationship with this guy.
Chris Hanson actually sat her down and talked to her about it, how the pressure got to the guy, etc.
And I'm like, first of all, tacky, tacky, tacky to ever mention this to anyone. And secondly, yeah, I'm sure you'll have a future with him, now that you've humiliated him on national TV!
I was taken aback by the whole thing. It's not like I thought that sex never occurred, I just don't remember it being addressed so bluntly and in such an embarrassing way for the guy.
Yuck, yuck, yuck. If Jason hadn't permanently turned me off to this show, this little episode would have done it for sure.
kathlyn - Jun 21, 2009 1:12 pm (#451 of 519)
Well, I haven't seen the episide (which hasn't aired I don't think), but I would alert you to the dangers of believing the promo-monkeys. Knowing how the Bachelor producers have manipulated the promos in the past (which sometimes wildly mislead), I'm betting the story is way different than they are suggesting. Maybe the guy was so excited about their date that he accidentally forgot his shellfish allergy or something - presto, the Jillian quotes fit, and yet it's nothing about sex, but actually about how they couldn't spend any quality time together as expected.
This wasn't a promo, it was clips from last week's episode, and it was pretty clear what they were talking about.
But I'll see if I can find some confirmation.
(If it was promos, I'll be mad at Joel McHale, because his show is supposed to be a clip show.)
Well, a quick glance at TWOP and it seems like there were still too many guys for it be down to the Fantasy Suite yet.
So Joel did a number on me!
What a waste of a good rant! LOL.
Writing angry letter to The Soup...
Whew.
I talked to a friend of mine who watches The Soup, and he thought the same thing I did.
Elvis.Bus - Jun 21, 2009 8:31 pm (#456 of 519)
No, but you'll want to see it for the "the Clip of the Week"
I don't remember what it was, now.
Elvis.Bus - Jun 22, 2009 1:10 am (#458 of 519)
From "Extreme Food" with Anthony Boudrian, he elicites the help of Mike Hawk, with an unfortunate pronounciation
Oh, yes!
I was thinking the guy likes his name like that.
Monkeygrrl - Jun 22, 2009 2:13 pm (#460 of 519)
S'Natch - for the record the ABC promo seemed to suggest exactly what the Soup did. But, last week it all seemed to suggest that creepy Wes would be going home - and then it was Ed who no one can remember seeing before he suddenly left (to go back to a job that he obviously hates, working for a boss who discourages vacations).
Yeah, but if I knew it was a promo rather than clips from an aired episode, I would have been suspicious.
To be fair, Joel might have said it was "upcoming" or something like that and I missed it.
Normally, there is enough weird stuff without him having to "fool" people.
Monkeygrrl - Jun 23, 2009 2:50 pm (#462 of 519)
I think the reason these Bachelorette contestants are still single is that they are total idiots. All of them.
Monkeygrrl - Jul 7, 2009 9:18 pm (#463 of 519)
Vote for me as the next bachelorette! I will happily make out with random men in Spain and pretend I might marry one!
- Jul 7, 2009 10:43 pm (#464 of 519)
Haha. Really. Except for Wes. Ew. What took Jillian so long to see it?
Trista Sutter blogs about Bachelorette
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b133013_trista_sutter_blogs_about_bachelorette.html?utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories
She really gets into it. (Bethenny could take a lesson.)
In the limo, Wes' true character finally appears and he fully admits that all the attacks to his character were right on. He was "the first guy ever to make it to the top four with a girlfriend." I want to vomit. He was acting the entire time and basically just can't believe that he lost to Reid. I have so many choice words I'd love to use, but they would all have to be edited, so it's pointless. I do have to say though that I would be horrified if he were my son. What an embarrassment and disappointment. I can't imagine any mother feeling proud of someone who could so deceptively lead someone on and be so cruelly selfish. Good riddance. We'll see you at your roast in a couple of weeks!
So I'm watching The Soup and they are showing the same footage again, of one of the guys being "too nervous" for the Fantasy Date to "turn out like they wanted it to."
Can someone who watched the show confirm that this did happen?
Monkeygrrl - Jul 20, 2009 7:47 pm (#467 of 519)
That happened - but it's a little vague what too nervous for the romance to happen really means. And I'd like to keep it that way. Poor Ed.
Yeah, it was mentioned in Entertainment Weekly. He's gonna be known as the guy who couldn't get it up.
Monkeygrrl - Jul 28, 2009 9:21 pm (#469 of 519)
So Ed is redeemed. And engaged. We'll see if he is married.
- Jul 29, 2009 4:54 pm (#470 of 519)
Isn't Reality Steve passing a rumour that Ed has a girlfriend?? (or maybe is just very bad at breaking up?)
Jill couldn't stand still for the proposal. She kept jumping up and down and squealing like a dolphin.
New Bachelor starts Monday.
I've been so bored with reality TV lately that I'm tempted to tune in.
But I just went to the site looking for info on who the new Bachelor is, and got stuck watching a movie trailer ad on an endless loop, for the upcoming Kristin Bell flick.
So now I'm crabby about the whole thing. Again. 
kathlyn - Jan 2, 2010 4:09 am (#472 of 519)
The new bachelor is the pilot from the last Bachelorette.
I'm ashamed that I know this fact.
Is he likable? Sincere? And all that crap?
kathlyn - Jan 2, 2010 5:30 am (#474 of 519)
I'm sure he's been well tutored and can feign all those things adequately throughout the airing of the show and for the subsequent contractually obligated two months before he breaks up with his chosen rose bride.
He's very good looking. I seem to remember he was one of those guys who have never had a serious relationship.
Well, this is certainly the best way to go about having his first!
LOL
kathlyn - Jan 5, 2010 4:03 am (#476 of 519)
Well, they know their audience - our new Bachelor was shirtless (in his kitchen, on the roof of something, in the pool, in the ocean, cutting wood in his backyard, etc) by 8:01.
Monkeygrrl - Jan 6, 2010 3:27 pm (#477 of 519)
This looks like an interesting season. Aw, who am I kidding?
Monkeygrrl - Jan 11, 2010 3:52 pm (#478 of 519)
Reality Steve (remember him?) now has a spoiler page for this season, including background on the "sex" scandal.
Thanks for that link. I'm not watching the show, but will follow Reality Steve for the juicy stuff.
- Jan 25, 2010 5:47 pm (#480 of 519)
It's a Bachelorette Bloodbath tonight on ABC!
What's going to happen?
- Jan 26, 2010 5:33 am (#482 of 519)
The previews say that he decides he doesn't want to give any more roses this round, essentially kicking out more than just one girl.
Monkeygrrl - Jan 26, 2010 1:23 pm (#483 of 519)
4 girls sent home in one night! This season is going to end 3 weeks early at this rate...
Monkeygrrl - Jan 26, 2010 1:28 pm (#484 of 519)
Dang it! Reality Steve's blog has been disappeared! So far, everything he said was right - and I wanted to confirm who he said the winner was. Does anyone know why the girls all hate Vienna? I haven't really been watching that closely.
- Feb 2, 2010 4:21 pm (#485 of 519)
I caught some of the Bachelor last night and I think that guy is a tool. You could totally find that guy at any bar in the US. What's the big deal about him again?
kathlyn - Feb 2, 2010 4:39 pm (#486 of 519)
But Tasha, he's a PILOT. He's ON THE WINGS OF LOVE. And his heart was broken last year by that cruel Jillian!
Why do you not understand how important this is?
- Feb 2, 2010 4:43 pm (#487 of 519)
*yawn*
David Doorley
- Feb 2, 2010 9:49 pm (#488 of 519)
You're bored
When you're adored...
You're blase.
Molly B.
- Feb 2, 2010 9:56 pm (#489 of 519)
I'm sure it was written for him, but I was tickled by one of his jokes when he was doing the "You know you're The Bachelor" routine at the comedy club.
"You know you're The Bachelor when ... every girl you ask out on a date says yes."
I hope there was a rimshot in the background.
Monkeygrrl - Feb 3, 2010 2:49 pm (#491 of 519)
I like Jake, but he's one of those guys who is happy believing that every woman who flatters him is telling the truth. Those marriages last 5 years tops and are gloriously ugly when they end - since the guys never really get it.
- Feb 23, 2010 3:08 am (#492 of 519)
Omg, Chris Harrison is a dick.
- Feb 23, 2010 4:46 am (#493 of 519)
I didn't even watch it. Anything interesting come out?
- Feb 23, 2010 4:51 am (#494 of 519)
Just the usual slut-shaming. She (Roslyn) didn't sit back and take it, though.
- Feb 23, 2010 11:22 pm (#495 of 519)
Omg, Chris Harrison is a dick.
Totally. What a creep. How did he ever get and keep that gig anyway? Lucky arsehole.
None of their "proof" would ever hold up in a court of law.
I read some about the "Women Tell All" episode, but what specifically did he do or say?
(I haven't liked him in quite a while, so just wondering.)
- Jun 21, 2010 11:48 pm (#497 of 519)
Another one bites the dust: Jake and Vienna are OVAH!
kathlyn - Jun 22, 2010 12:34 am (#498 of 519)
Shocker.
- Jun 22, 2010 3:18 am (#499 of 519)
Call me crazy but I thought that one might last a little bit longer than the rest. But overall, if a guy picks a girl that nobody else liked, watch out.
Monkeygrrl - Jun 22, 2010 9:44 pm (#500 of 519)
On TV or in real life...
- Jun 23, 2010 3:19 am (#501 of 519)
Both. None of Paul McCartney's kids or friends liked his now ex before he married her. He should have listened to them.
- Jun 23, 2010 4:17 am (#502 of 519)
"I've never heard of the Beatles" should have been a GiNORmous sign Heather wasn't on the up & up.
http://gawker.com/5580561/lets-put-jake--vienna-in-jail-and-never-let-them-out?skyline=true&s=i
See what the blogger says about Jake. It's horribly true.
- Jul 7, 2010 12:32 pm (#504 of 519)
Richard Lawson (the author of that blog) is a genius as usual. Jake is terrifying---he's exactly like Christian Bale in American Psycho. I've always said that he has a strong serial-killer/psychopath vibe to him.
- Jul 7, 2010 4:20 pm (#505 of 519)
Apparently, Jillian and Ed are on a 'break' as she moves back to Kelowna, BC and he stays in their place outside of Chicago. Rumours are that she has stopped drinking and is returning home for a while to get herself together. Hmmmmmm.
Molly B.
- Aug 10, 2010 3:51 pm (#506 of 519)
I watched The Bachelor Pad last night.
I did not know who three-quarters of the people there were. None of the guys, only a few of the girls (mainly the ones from Jake's season).
But I know enough to say ...
Michelle (from Jake's season)? Still psycho.
Elizabeth (from Jake's season)? Psycho-i-er than Michelle now. She had an interaction with one of the guys that was only missing the bunny to be a scene from Fatal Attraction. (Plus, she's freaky blonde.)
And I have the feeling that Tenley is going to be a little passive-aggressive bitch. Just a hunch.
nika
- Aug 10, 2010 8:11 pm (#507 of 519)
Oh, I was hoping someone else was watching. This show has got to be the new gold standard of trash TV.
I agree with all your comments, particularly about Tenley. There is no excuse for being on this show other than being a famewhore, even for Disney Princesses.
And Gwen? really? She's got to be 40ish now (despite the pathetic coyness of not giving her age) and this is what she's still doing?
Monkeygrrl - Aug 11, 2010 5:14 pm (#508 of 519)
It's perfect summer TV - something you don't care too much about and makes you feel way better about yourself! No matter what, I'm not going to sleep around just to avoid paying for a hotel room (there's a word for that...).
nika
- Aug 17, 2010 7:25 pm (#509 of 519)
why on earth were they targeting Kiptyn? The general concept of the "outsider" plan was good but why start off with the one guy who seems like he may actually be a nice guy? Get rid of Kovacs, then get rid of Elizabeth and you are good to go. Or get rid of David is mean, ugly and stupid.
Plus don't blame Nikki, Gia is the one who screwed up the plan by giving the rose to "better than Shakespeare" Wes (is she on drugs??) instead of to Craig.
And with the insiders being stupid enough to vote off one of their own in Jessie S, it not going to be that hard to pick off more of them. The outside girls are still in control for one more week, anyway, assuming they try to play the game. I wish I could say the same about the guys because the sooner they get Tenley off my tv, the happier I'll be. Hopefully, Weatherman will be up to winning another challenge!
Molly B.
- Aug 17, 2010 7:35 pm (#510 of 519)
"better than Shakespeare" Wes (is she on drugs??)
I think she was drunk. (Or will be drunk -- that was in the previews for next week, right?)
the sooner they get Tenley off my tv, the happier I'll be
You and me both! And I think the outsider girls, too -- I think that's why they targeted Kiptyn.
(But I'm not sure, since these guys are all pretty much strangers to me.)
That whole Natalie/Jessie B. interaction was weird. And sorta sad. He still seemed to be holding to "girls you fool around with, and girls you take home." And she seemed pretty willing to live up to that.
Monkeygrrl - Aug 17, 2010 8:35 pm (#511 of 519)
Oy, Elizabeth. Less tanning, less eye makeup, less being mean please.
Monkeygrrl - Aug 17, 2010 8:37 pm (#512 of 519)
Oh, and I'm a crier and I can't touch Tenley. Look at her funny and she's weeping on the couch.
- Aug 17, 2010 11:06 pm (#513 of 519)
Perhaps an adjustment to her meds is in order??
nika
- Aug 25, 2010 5:04 pm (#514 of 519)
this show is really so much more fun than the regular Bach/B'ettes. Of course, "knowing" some of the players helps too, but the level of trashiness and tawdriness of Bachelor Pad is just head and shoulders above. It even makes me look forward to Mondays! lol!
Buh-bye Gia. I liked her to start with but she lost me when she gave Wes the rose and then trashed Nikki for not sticking with the plan. So she crossed over into the far too irritating category. I think Weatherman does actually have a good sense of humor (his song at the end was pretty funny, esp. if he was just ad libbing as he went) but I was tired of the designated role he was playing as "the one none of the women are attracted to" so I'm not sorry to see that arc played out either.
It will be interesting to see if they start picking off some of the non-entities like Ashley or Gwen next, or if it's still going to be the ones playing the game hardest that are vulnerable. Perhaps we'll see a double elimination on the women's side, to start evening up the numbers?
Looking forward to next week, just when you think they are as down and dirty as they are going to get, they go one better! Worst boob job, indeed.
Monkeygrrl - Aug 25, 2010 9:23 pm (#515 of 519)
It's going to be really dramatic when they inevitable slashing of the cool kids begins. And, Gia had it in her hands and she let Craig go for Wes (even though I think he sincerely likes her). I wonder how she explained rolling around with Wes to her boyfriend back home?
nika
- Aug 31, 2010 3:44 am (#516 of 519)
I can not believe that this show made me like freaking WES best of anyone. I also can not believe the outsiders are really THAT stupid.
Monkeygrrl - Aug 31, 2010 12:59 pm (#517 of 519)
I thought David had some nerve saying that Krisily (or as Wes says, Krissie Lee) embarrassed herself when he lied to her face. I wonder if ABC thought this show was going to be so back-stabby so fast.
- Aug 31, 2010 8:23 pm (#518 of 519)
Well, after THAT competition, they pretty much guaranteed it would get back-stabby!
Monkeygrrl - Sep 1, 2010 6:55 pm (#519 of 519)
Yeah - there's no way of coming back from best boobs, worst boobs.
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